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    Ka-226 and Ansat-U

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    Post  medo Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:47 pm

    As I know, Ka-226 will operate from Russian border guard type 22460 patrol ship. It have heli pad, but I don't know if this ship have hangar for helicopter.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:03 pm

    Indeed I have read good things about co-axial design , I keep wondering why world over co-axial design has not caught up and besides Kamov no one tries to do with that design but would rather go for tail rotor types ?

    Losing the tail rotor is very useful, which is why the US developed the NOTAR technology. Problem was that it didn't scale up very well and was pretty much useless for medium to large helos.

    The gearbox of a Helix is an impressive feat of engineering and the west simply can't afford to develop it from scratch.

    On VK-800 I think they are bench testing the engine and export customers are offered an option to use any engine they want but Russian military will go for VK 800 engine which has more power , so it should increase its hot and high capability as well its payload.

    On a Kamov webpage it listed the performance of the Ka-226 with the Rolls Royce engine with a flight ceiling of 5,000m and the Ka-226T with the French engine that is more powerful with a flight ceiling of 7,000m. I would expect with the VK 800 engine the flight ceiling will be even higher still.

    As I know, Ka-226 will operate from Russian border guard type 22460 patrol ship. It have heli pad, but I don't know if this ship have hangar for helicopter.

    I have seen a line drawing of a corvette class with a standard displacement of 1,000 tons and a full load displacement of 1,350 tons. It has a 100mm gun on the front main deck and a stealthy shaped with Kashtans on top of the bridge and the centre rear of the boat (2 Kashtans in total) one level up from the rear Kashtan is a large open heli deck and it has a retractible hangar that extends out to enclose the helo and rolls back to give a more open deck area when not in use. The Specs describe a Ka-28 helo but with folding main rotors and even a folding tail you could probably get two Ka-266s in there.

    The ship is given no project code, but its physical dimensions are 84.5 x 13 x 2.5m.

    There is another small ship (corvette) described as an 1,800 ton escort ship that is 97 x 13 x 3m and it has similar helo facilities but as single gatling turrets front and rear.
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    Post  Hoof Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:17 pm

    seems like a good heli to replace those aging mi-2's... Like Gary said, it could be a good platform for a gunship or a light recon helicopter... but i cant really see it having more than 2 rocket pods and maybe a light cannon or HMGs... and of course there is a question about how much armor would you be able to strap on it ?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:06 am

    For such a small helo I would think protection from 30 calibre ammo would be sufficient but I would then want a stand off range so that means 30 calibre weapons on it wouldn't be any good except for self protection.

    I would think a large pod that had twin barrel 23mm cannon fitted on outriggers on either side to fire forward with the ammo supply in the central pod with perhaps one 7 shot 80mm rocket pod on each side as well would be a good armament... the guns arranged to feed from belts stored directly under the main rotor so you could load thousands of rounds without too much bother.

    The 23mm twin barrel aviation cannon is rather different from the ground based 2A7 and 2A14 cannon used on the ZU-23 and ZSU-23-4 towed and self propelled AA Guns respectively because it uses the projectile of the very powerful 23 x 152mm anti aircraft gun round but in the 14.5 x 114mm HMG case so it has much less muzzle velocity and less propellent and relies more on shell weight than impact speed for its effects and can therefore be used on helos and light aircraft and it can have a high rate of fire too.

    The 23mm gun is already used in gunpods that can be carried by helos and aircraft and in one model gunpod the guns can be depressed by up to 30 degrees and is computer controled so the pilot can start a burst and pull up up to 30 degrees and the guns will depress automatically remaining on target.

    In a helicopter they could be fully steering turrets that can elevate up and down and left and right to aim at particular targets.

    The chin mounted cannon on the last model Hind had twin barrel 23mm guns that didn't throw the helo off nearly as much as the side mounted fixed 30mm cannon did.

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    Of course for a cheap small gunship I think the gunship model of the ANSAT looks rather good for low intensity conflicts.

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    Note the Kord HMG barrel near the front of where the skid undercarriage meets the aircraft.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:00 am


    Russian air force to buy 30 Ka-226 helicopters by 2020

    12:15 16/01/2012
    MOSCOW, January 16 (RIA Novosti)

    The Russian Air Force is to acquire up to 30 Kamov Ka-226 light helicopters for courier and communications duties by 2020, Defense Ministry spokesman Vladimir Drik said on Monday.

    “By the end of January the (Torzhok) center will get four light Ka-226 helicopters. By 2020 we plan to buy 30 of them,” he said.

    The force’s helicopter training center at Torzhok received 17 new machines in December 2011 including the Mi-28N, Mi-35, Mi-8MTV and Ka-52, he said.

    Not a huge number, but this is an Air Force order so the use of the Ka-226 on the Mistrals will require extra orders from the Russian Navy.

    Looks like these helos will replace the Mi-2s, which is a very good thing.

    Hopefully by 2020 they will have realised how useful this little helo is and will have ordered more.

    In regard to the Russian engine that is even more powerful than the French engine they are using I thought this helo would be rather interesting for special forces use.

    Imagine placing a sniper team high on the side of a mountain to wait in ambush for enemy forces moving towards that area.

    With normal helicopter deployment they will have a lot of kit to carry and the altitude they can be deployed to will be limited by the altitude limits of most medium helicopters.

    With the Ka-266 however you could configure the rear module to be a combined survival shelter/communications centre/storage point, that could be camouflaged to blend in to the surroundings with camouflage nets etc, but be fitted with radios and satellite communications systems. You could also store all sorts of equipment like laser range finders and target markers and high power telescopes... even long range sniper rifles and ATGMs like Metis-M or Kornet EM.

    In places like Chechnia you could fit it out and position it to overlook commonly used transport trails.

    On the side of a mountain small wind powered electrical generators can keep the small base powered and the hard shell provides protection from the elements when needed.

    You could stack all sorts of stuff inside it and then when delivered to the observation site (preferably at night) you could first put up camouflage nets to conceal it and then put up tubes with propellers inside that you can point into the wind to generate electricity but without an externally visible moving thing that would stand out and be easy to see from far away.
    Then take out the obsservation equipment and set it up to allow observation of the required directions and areas and then build up some local defences including traps and mines and flares to the approaches to the position.
    Once all that is deployed you can take out the weapons and ammo so they are ready to use if needed and take all the food out to make space inside the pod for the team to shelter from extreme weather if needed.
    The satellite communications equipment could be built into the pod with heavy batteries and antenna and of course wind generation of electricity to support its operation and to heat the pod.

    As food and water is consumed over time you might get a middle of the night delivery from a UAV with stores that you can put all your rubbish and waste into to fly off and either dump or return to base to hide the extent and location of your operations.

    An added advantage of having a system like Kornet EM is that it uses a thermal imager that can see targets out to 8-10km, so for observation that would be ideal. The fact that if needed you could engage targets to that range is a huge bonus.

    If the position is compromised then air power can be brought in to deal with the enemy forces while a Ka-226 comes in and collects the team in the pod under cover of darkness preferably.

    Such a capability would also be useful for border patrols that can be delivered to an area and they will have the pod as a base of operations.
    Perched on the side of a mountain obviously you will want some method of securing the pod so it doesn't get blown off the side of a mountain, but the payoff will be excellent view of infiltration tracks for smugglers and criminals.
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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:56 pm

    Russian air force to buy 30 Ka-226 helicopters by 2020

    The Russian Air Force is to acquire up to 30 Kamov Ka-226 light helicopters for courier and communications duties by 2020, Defense Ministry spokesman Vladimir Drik said on Monday.

    “By the end of January the (Torzhok) center will get four light Ka-226 helicopters. By 2020 we plan to buy 30 of them,” he said.

    The force’s helicopter training center at Torzhok received 17 new machines in December 2011 including the Mi-28N, Mi-35, Mi-8MTV and Ka-52, he said.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120116/170777926.html
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    Post  TR1 Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:28 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmIK...layer_embedded

    Good footage of the 5 new Ka-226 @ Syzran. Also we can see presumably new Ansat-U, in the new camo.

    Reporter says before 2020, the airbase will get another 40 Ka-226. So the order has already been increased.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:59 pm

    Your link doesn't work... Sad
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    Post  TR1 Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:07 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmIKjCovEw&feature=player_embedded

    How about this one?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:18 am

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:19 am

    That looks really really cold...
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    Post  TR1 Sun May 06, 2012 9:31 pm

    http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg

    Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.
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    Post  George1 Sun May 06, 2012 9:52 pm

    TR1 wrote:No, IRST. Retractable.


    http://uploads.ru/i/a/d/V/adVXG.jpg

    Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us, handed over earlier this year, in grey.

    Νice helos. Why russian air force must buy french utility helicopters. Ansat can do this job
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    Post  GarryB Mon May 07, 2012 9:07 am

    The excuse usually given is that they need them for Sochi in 2014 and the Russian models can't be built and cleared for service in time...

    I think if they put the money up the Russian helos would be ready and do a better job too.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:32 am

    Kazan Helicopters upgrading Ansat

    The Ansat helicopter powered by Canadian-built PW207K engines and equipped with the innovative KSU-A fly-by-wire control system have been in production at the Kazan Helicopters plant since 2004. The first six machines have been exported to South Korea, two have been delivered to the Aviation Department of the Russian Federal Security Service, one (a medevac version) has gone to the Kazan Aviation Enterprise and one has been received by Radar-MMS company in the flying testbed variant.


    The Ansat-U trainer version with redundant controls and wheeled undercarriage, which development had been ordered by the Russian Air Force and which official trials had been completed in November 2008, entered full-rate production in 2009. The first six aircraft of the type were delivered in December 2009. Three of them were brought to the Combat Training and Conversion Centre (CTCC) in Torzhok, while the other three were in autumn 2010 given to the Syzran Affiliate of the Air Force Military Training and Scientific Centre (the former Syzran Air Force Academy) specialising in training helicopter pilots for the Russian Air Force. To date, the Defence Ministry has taken delivery of as many as 18 production-standard Ansat-Us. The deliveries under the contract until 2018 are under way at a rate of six machines a year, on average.

    During 2007–10, Kazan Helicopters did quite job to improve the FBW control system-fitted baseline model due to the emergence of more specific certification requirements. The efforts resulted in the Ansat-K variant that was issued a limited operation certificate in March 2010, clearing it for cargo carriage and air operations, except for passenger services. One Ansat-K was delivered to the Tatarstan Police Air Detachment in 2011.

    The development of a version with the hydraulic-mechanical control system, initially designated as Ansat-1M, kicked off at about the same time. Two prototypes were manufactured. The first prototype has been in ground trials since 2011, and the second entered flight tests in May 2012. Once the new Ansat version has been certificated, it will be offered to potential customers. Kazan Helicopters presumes the output and delivery volume of the Ansat’s commercial versions may total 20 aircraft a year in the future.

    http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012/761-kazan-helicopters-upgrading-ansat
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    Post  Viktor Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:33 pm

    Defense Ministry received six new helicopters "ANSAT-U
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    Post  TR1 Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:39 pm

    So that is 24 Ansat-U in service?

    Article says 19 are in training use, but PiBu said 18 were in service previously...
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    Post  Viktor Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:05 pm

    TR1 wrote:So that is 24 Ansat-U in service?

    Article says 19 are in training use, but PiBu said 18 were in service previously...
    Nice. I guess we will see much more of them next year and the year after.
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    Post  George1 Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:15 pm

    Six Ansat-U helicopters were delivered to the Sokol training air group
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    Post  TR1 Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:16 pm

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11873841@egNews

    9 Ka-226s will be delivered to the training group Sokol before the end of the year. Currently the center operates 17 choppers of the type.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:35 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/711410.html

    3 Ka-226 ordered for medical work in Moscow.
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    Post  George1 Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:42 am

    The Air Force Academy will receive six new ANSAT-U helicopters
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    Post  Viktor Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:05 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    The first group of cadets of the Military Training and Research Center, the Air Force pilot training was held on helicopters "ANSAT-U"
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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:39 am

    Six Ansat-U training helicopters will be delivered to the Syzran branch of the military training scientific centre of the Air Force till the end of 2014.

    http://in.rbth.com/news/2014/10/28/russian_air_force_to_receive_over_120_new_helicopters_till_yearend_39371.html

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    Post  Viktor Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:36 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    "Helicopters of Russia" party handed Ka-226 Russian Defense Ministry

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