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Strange that it wasn't flown straight into Kinloss where the P-8 is temporally operating from whilst the Lossie runways are rebuilt..
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The first of two new Poseidon MRA.1 Operational Flight Trainers has arrived at @RAFLossiemouth
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The simulator was flown by a chartered Antonov AN-124 cargo aircraft to Glasgow Prestwick Airport on Monday before being taken by road to the Moray station.
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The first of two new Poseidon MRA.1 Operational Flight Trainers has arrived at @RAFLossiemouth
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The simulator was flown by a chartered Antonov AN-124 cargo aircraft to Glasgow Prestwick Airport on Monday before being taken by road to the Moray station.
https://bit.ly/2Q4YuwU
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From the RAF's site...
The UK’s first fleet of uncrewed fighter aircraft is one step closer to reality following a £30 million contract to design and manufacture a prototype in a three-year deal supporting more than 100 jobs in Belfast.
The uncrewed combat aircraft will be designed to fly at high-speed alongside fighter jets, armed with missiles, surveillance and electronic warfare technology to provide a battle-winning advantage over hostile forces. Known as a ‘loyal wingman’, these aircraft will be the UK’s first uncrewed platforms able to target and shoot down enemy aircraft and survive against surface to air missiles.
This ground-breaking project will involve significant investment which will not only support local employment, but also reinforce Northern Ireland's contribution to the security of our nation.
In a boost for Northern Ireland’s defence industry, Spirit AeroSystems, Belfast, have been selected to lead Team MOSQUITO in the next phase of the Project. Utilising ground-breaking engineering techniques, the team will further develop the RAF’s Lightweight Affordable Novel Combat Aircraft (LANCA) concept, with a full-scale vehicle flight-test programme expected by the end of 2023.
"This is fantastic news and underlines the distinct strengths in Northern Ireland's economy, through its advanced engineering and manufacturing capabilities.
"This ground-breaking project will involve significant investment which will not only support local employment, but also reinforce Northern Ireland's contribution to the security of our nation."
Team MOSQUITO, which also includes Northrop Grumman UK, will mature the designs and manufacture a technology demonstrator to generate evidence for a follow-on LANCA programme. If successful, Project Mosquito’s findings could lead to this revolutionary capability being deployed alongside the Typhoon and F-35 Lightning jets by the end of the decade.
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Death of the faithful Hercules: Entire fleet of transporter plane favored by the SAS is to be grounded
The closest US ally chooses A400Ms even for those missions. I wonder, will they offer those C-130Js for sale?
They could be converted to MPA, as the Nimrods r gone.
The closest US ally chooses A400Ms even for those missions. I wonder, will they offer those C-130Js for sale?
They could be converted to MPA, as the Nimrods r gone.
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They spend a fortune on P-8s, I doubt the C-130s will be converted too.
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Not good if it happens. 138 was probably unlikely but 48 isn't a great deal at all, at least 60 would have been nice.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-reportedly-to-cut-f-35b-order-by-65-percent/
UKDJ wrote:The Sunday Times has reported that the UK is likely only to purchase 48 F-35B jets, down from 138.
An excerpt from this article states.
“An order for 90 more F-35 Lightning combat jets is to be cancelled in favour of the Tempest fighter, built in Lancashire, while 24 older Typhoon fighters will be retired early. Whole fleets of aircraft will be taken out of service as drones become ever more common.”
This reported F-35B order isn’t entirely unexpected, whilst speaking to the Public Accounts Committee,the MoD’s Permanent Secretary Sir Stephen Lovegrove said:
“Things change in the course of these very long-term programmes. Different capabilities come along that render things that you have yet to buy possibly obsolete or perhaps you need fewer of them or the threats change.”
The final details of this will be revealed on March the 16th in the Integrated Review.
The ‘Integrated Review’, to give it its full title the ‘Integrated Review of Security, Defence, Development and Foreign Policy’ is effectively a defence review.
According to a Ministry of Defence announcement:
“General Sir Nick Carter has been central to setting the vision for our future armed forces. The Prime Minister has asked General Carter to remain in post to ensure continuity and stability while the conclusions of the Integrated Review are implemented following the £24.1-billion settlement for defence announced last year.
The Integrated Review will be published on 16 of March and the Defence Command Paper will be published on 22 of March. The selection of General Carter’s successor as Chief of the Defence Staff will begin in the autumn.”
The review was previously described by Boris Johnson as the largest review of its kind since the Cold War and will be published later this month.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-reportedly-to-cut-f-35b-order-by-65-percent/
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Not just the C-130J and F-35. The cuts go deep. The UK has run out of money and has more voter friendly places to spend money.
Long seemingly under threat, it now seems as if the ax will finally drop on the U.K. government’s plans to buy 138 F-35B short takeoff and landing (STOVL) versions of the Joint Strike Fighter. The fledgling F-35 fleet is operated by a joint force of RAF and Royal Navy personnel, but which are based at RAF Marham in Norfolk, England when not embarked aboard one of the two Queen Elizabeth class carriers.
The Times reports that a full 90 aircraft will be cut from the planned F-35B total buy, eventually providing a force of just 48 aircraft. To date, the United Kingdom has committed to buying 48 Lightning jets by the end of 2025, but previously the U.K. Ministry of Defense steadfastly held to the 138-aircraft figure in its communications.
Officials have said that 24 F-35Bs need to be embarked on the ship for a “credible complement” in the core Carrier Strike role. However, a force of 48 would not allow both carriers to sail with the jets simultaneously, once training and maintenance, and not least all the force’s other frontline commitments, are taken into account. In fact, it might not even be sufficient for one carrier.
Speaking to the U.K. Parliament’s Defense Committee last September, Nick Childs, Senior Fellow for Naval Forces and Maritime Security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said he considered a number “significantly higher” than 48 F-35Bs would be required to meet the ambition of 24 jets available for Carrier Strike. Taking into account training and other demands, a figure of 60-70 jets would be reasonable, Childs contended.
In the past, there was unofficial speculation that the United Kingdom might opt for a split buy of STOVL F-35Bs and conventional take-off and landing F-35A models. There have been long-standing rumors that this is the long-term option preferred by the RAF, but with a force of just 48 Lightnings, the case for a split buy would become irrelevant.
The Typhoon multirole fighter is also projected to take a hit, with a decision to retire the 24 oldest examples, which are in the basic Tranche 1 configuration. This had also been the plan in the past before the SDSR of 2015 declared that the single-seat Tranche 1 jets would actually be retained for air defense duties as well as specialist aggressor work. These older jets had been expected to be operated until around 2030. Where this new decision, if it comes to pass, leaves the Typhoon’s aggressor role remains unclear.
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An RAF Typhoon FGR4 aircraft forward-deployed at Royal Air Force Akrotiri in Cyprus.
The savings made on the F-35B and Typhoon should free up funds for the Tempest, although this is still in its very early stages and there are plenty more hurdles to pass before ambitions of putting a new-generation stealthy fighter jet into service by 2035. The question of just how relevant Tempest will be if it even joins the fleet in nearly a decade and a half is also up for debate.
Also requiring funding is the program for a loyal wingman-type unmanned aircraft, which the United Kingdom expects to begin flight testing by 2023. Earlier this year, the RAF announced that Northern Ireland-based Spirit AeroSystems would design and manufacture the prototype “uncrewed fighter aircraft” in its new role at the head of Project Mosquito, an effort to develop drones capable of working together semi-autonomously with manned aircraft, which The War Zone discussed in detail last year.
After the recent standdown of the Sentinel intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft, it seems this platform will not be directly replaced, and nor will the smaller Islander and Defender surveillance aircraft, which it seems are also slated to be withdrawn this year. In total, 11 manned ISR aircraft are rumored to be slated for retirement. More cuts are proposed beyond that, too, with the order for E-7 Wedgetail airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft likely to be reduced from five to just three.
Cuts are expected to be made to the RAF’s transport capacity, too, with the reported loss of all 14 C-130J Hercules transports, which serve primarily in a special forces support role. This will leave the A400M Atlas as the mainstay of the tactical transport role, although there have been concerns these aircraft are not best suited to special forces missions.
The sources also say that the BAe 146 jet transports used, among other things, for transporting key members of the Royal Family will be replaced by leased aircraft. However, the BAe 146s had already been put up for sale, which you can read about here, although they enjoyed a comeback when two examples were adapted for emergency medical transport of COVID-19 patients last year
The RAF’s rotary-wing transport fleet is said to be set for a 41% reduction in numbers, for a total of 45 helicopters to be withdrawn. It’s not clear what these might be, but removal of an entire fleet is a possibility. The obvious candidate would be the Puma HC2, which, although it has been upgraded, dates back to the early 1970s. Twenty-three Pumas currently serve alongside 60 Chinooks, although the oldest of the Chinooks date back to the early 1980s. As recently as last month, the service had revealed it was planning to replace its Pumas with a new type via its New Medium Helicopter (NMH) requirement, although this is still in its very early stages.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39658/british-armed-forces-poised-to-make-big-cuts-to-f-35-plans-and-more
Long seemingly under threat, it now seems as if the ax will finally drop on the U.K. government’s plans to buy 138 F-35B short takeoff and landing (STOVL) versions of the Joint Strike Fighter. The fledgling F-35 fleet is operated by a joint force of RAF and Royal Navy personnel, but which are based at RAF Marham in Norfolk, England when not embarked aboard one of the two Queen Elizabeth class carriers.
The Times reports that a full 90 aircraft will be cut from the planned F-35B total buy, eventually providing a force of just 48 aircraft. To date, the United Kingdom has committed to buying 48 Lightning jets by the end of 2025, but previously the U.K. Ministry of Defense steadfastly held to the 138-aircraft figure in its communications.
Officials have said that 24 F-35Bs need to be embarked on the ship for a “credible complement” in the core Carrier Strike role. However, a force of 48 would not allow both carriers to sail with the jets simultaneously, once training and maintenance, and not least all the force’s other frontline commitments, are taken into account. In fact, it might not even be sufficient for one carrier.
Speaking to the U.K. Parliament’s Defense Committee last September, Nick Childs, Senior Fellow for Naval Forces and Maritime Security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said he considered a number “significantly higher” than 48 F-35Bs would be required to meet the ambition of 24 jets available for Carrier Strike. Taking into account training and other demands, a figure of 60-70 jets would be reasonable, Childs contended.
In the past, there was unofficial speculation that the United Kingdom might opt for a split buy of STOVL F-35Bs and conventional take-off and landing F-35A models. There have been long-standing rumors that this is the long-term option preferred by the RAF, but with a force of just 48 Lightnings, the case for a split buy would become irrelevant.
The Typhoon multirole fighter is also projected to take a hit, with a decision to retire the 24 oldest examples, which are in the basic Tranche 1 configuration. This had also been the plan in the past before the SDSR of 2015 declared that the single-seat Tranche 1 jets would actually be retained for air defense duties as well as specialist aggressor work. These older jets had been expected to be operated until around 2030. Where this new decision, if it comes to pass, leaves the Typhoon’s aggressor role remains unclear.
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An RAF Typhoon FGR4 aircraft forward-deployed at Royal Air Force Akrotiri in Cyprus.
The savings made on the F-35B and Typhoon should free up funds for the Tempest, although this is still in its very early stages and there are plenty more hurdles to pass before ambitions of putting a new-generation stealthy fighter jet into service by 2035. The question of just how relevant Tempest will be if it even joins the fleet in nearly a decade and a half is also up for debate.
Also requiring funding is the program for a loyal wingman-type unmanned aircraft, which the United Kingdom expects to begin flight testing by 2023. Earlier this year, the RAF announced that Northern Ireland-based Spirit AeroSystems would design and manufacture the prototype “uncrewed fighter aircraft” in its new role at the head of Project Mosquito, an effort to develop drones capable of working together semi-autonomously with manned aircraft, which The War Zone discussed in detail last year.
After the recent standdown of the Sentinel intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft, it seems this platform will not be directly replaced, and nor will the smaller Islander and Defender surveillance aircraft, which it seems are also slated to be withdrawn this year. In total, 11 manned ISR aircraft are rumored to be slated for retirement. More cuts are proposed beyond that, too, with the order for E-7 Wedgetail airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft likely to be reduced from five to just three.
Cuts are expected to be made to the RAF’s transport capacity, too, with the reported loss of all 14 C-130J Hercules transports, which serve primarily in a special forces support role. This will leave the A400M Atlas as the mainstay of the tactical transport role, although there have been concerns these aircraft are not best suited to special forces missions.
The sources also say that the BAe 146 jet transports used, among other things, for transporting key members of the Royal Family will be replaced by leased aircraft. However, the BAe 146s had already been put up for sale, which you can read about here, although they enjoyed a comeback when two examples were adapted for emergency medical transport of COVID-19 patients last year
The RAF’s rotary-wing transport fleet is said to be set for a 41% reduction in numbers, for a total of 45 helicopters to be withdrawn. It’s not clear what these might be, but removal of an entire fleet is a possibility. The obvious candidate would be the Puma HC2, which, although it has been upgraded, dates back to the early 1970s. Twenty-three Pumas currently serve alongside 60 Chinooks, although the oldest of the Chinooks date back to the early 1980s. As recently as last month, the service had revealed it was planning to replace its Pumas with a new type via its New Medium Helicopter (NMH) requirement, although this is still in its very early stages.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39658/british-armed-forces-poised-to-make-big-cuts-to-f-35-plans-and-more
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Somewhat depressing isn't it. Next week will not be cheerful if all this comes to pass.
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UK army is just disapearing because they became US 51st state the last 20 years.
Tanks are going the same way. Their ships too. Their naval patrol aircraft too. They are reducing the number of soldiers.
Their industry will follow the same path.
Tanks are going the same way. Their ships too. Their naval patrol aircraft too. They are reducing the number of soldiers.
Their industry will follow the same path.
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Retiring Typhoons... how long were they in service?
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14 years? Less?
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These were first in service in 2003.GarryB wrote:Retiring Typhoons... how long were they in service?
Bit like the first couple of hundred F-35, not full spec and not worth modifying. Ended up as 'agressors'.
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GarryB wrote:Retiring Typhoons... how long were they in service?
First flown in 2003 by the RAF, IOC achieved in 2007 I believe. All typhoon single seaters are now classed as FGR4 (F2 being the initial designation when they were still solely air to air) but the jets being looked at are Tranche 1s, still useful in air to air and as aggressors but haven not been upgraded under project centurion for air to ground work.
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Isos wrote:UK army is just disapearing because they became US 51st state the last 20 years.
Tanks are going the same way. Their ships too. Their naval patrol aircraft too. They are reducing the number of soldiers.
Their industry will follow the same path.
You could argue we've been the 51st state since November 1956, if not 1945.
I haven't seen mention of naval patrol (i.e the P8) aircraft orders being cut but the E7 (E3's replacement in the AWACS role) is, from 5 to 3.
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Finty wrote:Isos wrote:UK army is just disapearing because they became US 51st state the last 20 years.
Tanks are going the same way. Their ships too. Their naval patrol aircraft too. They are reducing the number of soldiers.
Their industry will follow the same path.
You could argue we've been the 51st state since November 1956, if not 1945.
I haven't seen mention of naval patrol (i.e the P8) aircraft orders being cut but the E7 (E3's replacement in the AWACS role) is, from 5 to 3.
Well until 00s you had a real army.
After Euro money creation you became a satellite state in UE with Poland for the US and since then you are declining.
I'm wrong, I just remember of articles saying they retired a fleet of big planes which left them without any replacement. I don't really remember what it was.
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Isos wrote:
After Euro money creation you became a satellite state in UE with Poland for the US and since then you are declining.
I'm wrong, I just remember of articles saying they retired a fleet of big planes which left them without any replacement. I don't really remember what it was.
Euro money creating was nothing to do with us we stayed out.
The big planes you mention are probably our Nimrods and its only with the arrival of the P-8 that we have had a real replacement. Given the length of lack of asset it makes one question how much we actually need one. If Scotland breaks free we, England, won't.
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But you stayed in UE.
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I assume you mean EU? The UK famously left it.
As for withdrawals without replacements, it’s happened a few times, sometimes with ensuing capability gaps. In addition to already mentioned Nimrod, there was the harrier, withdrawn in 2010 and only replaced in 2019 with the F35 and the Tornado which was replaced by the Typhoon which will now have a greater workload.
As for withdrawals without replacements, it’s happened a few times, sometimes with ensuing capability gaps. In addition to already mentioned Nimrod, there was the harrier, withdrawn in 2010 and only replaced in 2019 with the F35 and the Tornado which was replaced by the Typhoon which will now have a greater workload.
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Finty wrote:I assume you mean EU? The UK famously left it.
As for withdrawals without replacements, it’s happened a few times, sometimes with ensuing capability gaps. In addition to already mentioned Nimrod, there was the harrier, withdrawn in 2010 and only replaced in 2019 with the F35 and the Tornado which was replaced by the Typhoon which will now have a greater workload.
Yeah EU. In french it's UE. Left it only in 2020. UK was just a satellite states for US.
Those are proofs that UK army is getting destroyed. They won't compete against failed states soon. They will need US protection even more. They will probably ask to be a US protectorat very soon. Even their nuks are US.
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Finty wrote:Isos wrote:UK army is just disapearing because they became US 51st state the last 20 years.
Tanks are going the same way. Their ships too. Their naval patrol aircraft too. They are reducing the number of soldiers.
Their industry will follow the same path.
You could argue we've been the 51st state since November 1956, if not 1945.
I haven't seen mention of naval patrol (i.e the P8) aircraft orders being cut but the E7 (E3's replacement in the AWACS role) is, from 5 to 3.
Their industry has already followed that path and has been decimated for 30 years. Same as Canada. Canada used to be capable of building its own jets and engines.
It is just tragic. Britain had a chance to retool the empire. They should have got the commonwealth together (UK Canada Australia NZ) and faced down the US and the USSR after WW2. Then the Tempest would have been a thing 10 years ago. Canada and the UK could have had an awesome aviation industry.
It should still be done. The US and the EU both contributed to the UK's current identity crisis. If they got the commonwealth together, and ended the "special relationship" the crisis would be gone overnight. And us Canadians would no longer feel like pseudo Americans anymore either.
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UKDJ wrote:The UK plans to retire its entire fleet of 76 Hawk T1 trainer aircraft.
This leaves only 28 Hawk aircraft in British service, the T2 variant.
The Defence Command Paper released today, titled ‘Defence in a Competitive Age’, states:
“The Royal Air Force will retire equipment that has increasingly limited utility in the digital
and future operating environment. This will include rationalising older fleets to improve
efficiency, retiring Typhoon Tranche 1 by 2025, and Hawk T1. We will enhance the new military flying training system with further investment in synthetic training that will deliver more capable pilots more quickly and more efficiently.”
Hawk T1 jets are used used in the aggressor role by No. 100 Squadron and famous as display aircraft by the Red Arrows. However the Express reports that the Royal Air Force Aerobatic Team have been saved from the axe in a defence review to be published in the week commencing March 22.
“Though Ministry of Defence insiders have confirmed that the iconic team will not be felled next week, RAF sources insisted its days were numbered unless other streams of financial support could be found urgently. The Red Arrows has arranged a raft of sponsorship deals with some blue-chip brands, ranging from BAE, Barbour and Breitling to Land Rover and Rolls Royce, worth just under a million pounds in total.”
This defence review was previously described by Boris Johnson as the largest review of its kind since the Cold War.
I wasn't actually expecting this, I've been focusing on the Hercs and Challengers and forgotten.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-to-retire-entire-hawk-t1-jet-fleet/?fbclid=IwAR3oOBfwUFLklUVbhoveN7BGDpWZ8dSoRsEllSuOfGIVwnBzcy369xjzafY
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Defence review can be found here, https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/971859/_CP_411__-_Defence_in_a_competitive_age.pdf
For me the biggest shame is the c-130 fleet being retired in 2023. Good to see more f35bs mentioned and maintaining 7 squadrons of Typhoon.
For me the biggest shame is the c-130 fleet being retired in 2023. Good to see more f35bs mentioned and maintaining 7 squadrons of Typhoon.
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Joe Kerr wrote:Citing the capability of the jet compared to the F-35B, the UK is to purchase 24 Harrier jets.
It is understood that the capability of the F-35B compared to capability of the Harrier jet was the driving factor behind this decision.
Speaking in an obscure website comment section, ‘Bring back the Harrier’ spokesman Terry-Bill Boar said:
“This is a welcome decision! While it is true that Harrier is slower and can carry much less than the F-35B, it offers much greater situational awareness than the suite of equipment on the F-35B. For example, flying slower gives the pilot more time to look out of the cockpit canopy and has a more personal touch than using a range of sensors.”
The Ministry of Defence said:
“The F-35B is far more capable than the Harrier and using them in combat would be incredibly unfair and a give a bad image of a new, fairer Global Britain. As a result, we have decided to ‘bring back the Harrier’ on a temporary basis.”
It is understood that the Royal Air Force will be trialling an innovative solution in order to find personnel for the new aircraft. I’m told that anyone who thinks the UK should have purchased more Harriers instead of the F-35B is eligible to fly, as no one else can be found to fly a relatively obsolete aircraft.
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"Fairer Global Britain" 
Shit. I nearly fell from the couch. 
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Hole wrote:"Fairer Global Britain"
I wish we were getting some Harriers back, sadly not!
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