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    Post  Admin Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:38 am

    Su-27SM fighter crashed into the garden

    In Primorye crashed Su-27SM Russian Air Force. The pilot managed to eject. According to one version, the cause of PE was technical fault plane. Previous Su-27 crash happened in Primorye in September last year.

    In the course of routine training flights held at the airbase Central Angle (about 35 km from Vladivostok) to 17.22 crashed Su-27SM 22-th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment. According to Kommersant's source in the Far East Command Air Forces and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District, coming in to land, being approximately 200 m, the pilot, Major Korolev reported on the ground that the aircraft uncontrollable. Flight Director gave the command pilot ejected. The pilot landed safely, but the fighter crashed into the garden near one of the houses holiday village Nightingale Key. According to witnesses, still in the air the plane rolled over and fell from the chassis up. On the ground, casualties and severe damage was avoided, burned only one greenhouse. Relatively minimal damage due to the fact that the Su-27SM to fly without ammunition, and supplies of fuel on board had been virtually exhausted.

    For about ten minutes to the scene by a helicopter rescue team arrived, which brought Major Queen in one of the hospitals in Vladivostok for the survey. According to doctors, the condition of the pilot does not cause anxiety. Fragments of the fuselage were extinguished podospevshie fire around the crash site put up a cordon of policemen and soldiers. Yesterday in the investigative actions of the military experts have begun the investigation department of the investigative committee of the Russian Federation on the Ussuri garrison. One group of military investigators is working on the site of the crash fighter jet, another deals with removal of pre-documentation. It is also planned to interview the pilot, reported to the department. Will be considered and all versions of what caused the crash, including technical fault plane, as well as an error in piloting. The representative of the Far Eastern Command of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern military district said that while the cause of the crash called "premature." According to available data, Su-27SM a year ago was renovated in the Aircraft Production Association in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

    Previous disaster Su-27 Russian Air Force took place on 20 September last year in Primorye. Then, the Su-27UB making a planned flight after factory repair the airfield Vozdvizhenka, located 12 km from Ussuriysk. Barely rose into the air, the plane crashed about 100 yards from the runway. Both pilots survived, having had time to eject from a height of 50 m. Previous wreck Su-27, assigned to the airbase Central Angle happened in March 2002. The fighter is out of control and crashed during landing, the pilot managed to eject, on the ground no one was hurt.


    Alexei Chernyshev, Vladivostok
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:41 am

    The Su-27SM is an upgraded aircraft so there is a good chance that its flight data recorder will offer far more information than an older model would have. It also means however that the investigators will have a lot more data to go through so it might take a bit longer to investigate the causes of the crash.

    The good news is that no one was hurt, but it is a shame about losing an upgraded plane.
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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:38 pm

    Some people claims that russian aircrafts have ahigh rate of crashes !

    why ??

    as example , mig 29 vs f16 in crash numbers ...

    i'm talking here about quality not capability..

    Medvedev complains of quality of Russian planes

    i think russia period is better than soviet period,in previous point.....
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:05 am

    First of all the perception that Russian or Soviet aircraft crash more often is rubbish.

    Most civil airliner magazines in the west keep statistics and these statistics clearly show that there is practically no difference in aircraft losses between western and Soviet/Russian aircraft accidents where the aircraft are properly maintained.

    For the poorer or tighter airlines in backwater areas that don't properly maintain their aircraft accidents and crashes are more common whether they are western or Soviet/Russian aircraft. The fact that currently the western civil aircraft dominate the markets everywhere has resulted in a shift so that currently it is western aircraft that are actually crashing more often simply because the bad airlines that try to save too much money on maintainence and spare parts are buying old western aircraft now.

    Other factors of course for military aircraft is that Soviet/Russian aircraft tend to operate in much harsher climates and don't get stored in nice air conditioned hangars overnight.

    Recently problems with the Mig-29 were gladly highlighted by the western experts, while the grounding of the F-15 fleet for wing cracking problems only got a short mention that could easily have been missed.

    I am surprised there have not been more Russian military crashes simply because aircraft rarely crash because of design these days... Russian designers know what they are doing... most of the time it is lack of necessary maintainence, or outside factors like environmental conditions like storms or mountains or fog.

    Russia has gone through a period of stagnation where little has actually been put into service. After a 20 year gap of buying new stuff of course there will be questions about the quality of the aircraft in service... the solution is to buy the new ones on offer and give input into what you want in the future so they can design for that.
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    Post  ahmedfire Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:50 am

    List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (2000–present)
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:24 pm

    MiG-31 crashes in the Urals....the crew died Sad

    RIP

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110906/166465020.html

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:41 pm

    RIP.
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    Post  Russian Patriot Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:54 am

    RIP!


    Flight recorder found at MiG-31 crash site

    RIA Novosti

    02:36 07/09/2011 MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) - Investigators have found one of the two flight recorders at a crash site of a Russian MiG-31 Foxhound fighter jet in the Urals, a source in the investigation committee said.

    The jet exploded in a fireball minutes after taking off from a military airfield in the Perm region in the early hours of Tuesday. Both pilots were killed in the crash.

    "We have found one of the flight recorders and will continue the investigation of the crash site tomorrow," the source told RIA Novosti.


    A technical failure is being considered as a possible cause of the crash.

    Relatively few MiG-31s have been modernized to the MiG-31BM version since the heavy interceptor entered service with the Russian Air Force in 1982. Experts believe that technical problems are inevitable on aircraft whose service life is nearing its end without a thorough overhaul.

    A similar jet crashed in the Urals region less than a year ago, but the pilots managed to parachute to safety.

    The Air Force has grounded all MiG-31s in its fleet and said the flight ban would continue until the cause of the crash is established.



    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2011/russia-110907-rianovosti01.htm
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:51 am

    Hopefully they will find an excuse to upgrade the whole fleet.

    Of course unfortunately that doesn't make them crash proof... have heard of at least one upgraded Su-27SM that has crashed.

    I guess the primary problem is the transition between the PVOs interceptors being controlled by the Air Force, and the new structure where the Space and Air Defence Forces control such assets... I don't think the Air Force wants to spend money upgrading the Mig-31s if they have to hand them over the the Space and Air Defence Forces, while the SAADF wont spend money on AF planes till they get proper full control of them.

    Sort of leaves them in limbo, but Space and Air Defence will be a fairly high priority I would think so it should be sorted out.

    Altay Almaz has been talking about new generation missiles after S-500 and S-400 being air launched, so we might see at the very least the Mig-31D being revived... it was a model designed originally as an anti satellite weapon with a large belly mounted anti satellite missile, though it was later adapted to a satellite launch system for launching small satellites. Either way it was a big missile on a fast and high flying aircraft.

    I would think that if aircraft launched weapons is the future for Russian space and air defence then there will be a replacement for the Mig-31 on the cards... perhaps with super cruise capability and significant fuel and weapon capacity for long range and a huge radar.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:44 pm

    RIP
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:17 pm

    Two killed in Su-24 fighter-bomber crash in Russia's Far East
    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20111020/167881143.html
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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:51 am

    RIP for both planes' crews.
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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:RIP for both planes' crews.

    Same!
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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:45 pm

    Su-30 Fighter Jet Crashes, Crew Ejects Safely

    Two crew members ejected safely after their Su-30 fighter jet crashed 130 km northeast of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight on Tuesday, according to sources in the regional administration.

    "Both crew members ejected safely but one was hurt on landing," a regional administration source said.

    The aircraft belonged to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur factory where Su-30s are manufactured.

    The crash took place at 10:20 AM Moscow time.

    The Su-30, a multirole combat aircraft, is operated by India, China and Russia.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120228/171586255.html

    Su-30 Caught Fire Before Crash – Investigators

    The crew of a Su-30 fighter that crashed earlier on Tuesday in Russia’s Far East reported an engine fire before the crash, a spokesman for the Main Military Investigative Directorate said.

    The Su-30MK2 fighter jet crashed 130 km northeast of Komsomolsk-na-Amure during a post-construction test flight. Both pilots ejected safely, although one of them was hurt on landing.

    “While executing acceleration to a maximum speed, the first pilot reported a fire in the right engine,” the spokesman said. “The flight controller immediately ordered the crew to eject.”

    “The investigators are taking all necessary steps to establish the cause of the crash,” the official said.

    The aircraft belonged to the Komsomolsk-na-Amure factory where Su-30s are manufactured.

    The Russian military earlier said that the plane had been built for export.

    Su-family fighters constitute the bulk of Russia's arms exports.

    Variants of Su-30 Flanker fighters are in service with air forces in several foreign countries, including India, Indonesia, China, Algeria, Vietnam and Venezuela.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120228/171592093.html


    Other news:


    Su-24 Bombers Resume Flights After Crash

    Russia has partially resumed flights of Su-24 Fencer tactical bombers after one of them crashed in Russia’s Urals, Defense Ministry spokesman Col Vladimir Drik said on Tuesday.

    “After tests, unit commanders… will receive permission to resume flights of this type of aircraft,” he said.

    All Su-24s were grounded after one of them crashed in the woods of the Kurgan region during a routine flight on February 13. Both pilots ejected safely.

    The crash was the third of a Su-24 in Russia over the last four months. The two previous crashes occurred in October and December 2011.

    The Su-24 is a two-seat, twin-engine fighter-bomber similar to NATO's Tornado and Mirage 2000 planes.

    It has been in service with the Russian Air Force since the mid-1970s. However, in recent years Russia has gradually been phasing out the planes, which have a patchy safety record.

    According to the Defense Ministry’s plans, the Su-24 will be gradually replaced with new Su-34 Fullback strike aircraft, which has the potential to become the top plane in its class for years to come.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120228/171586837.html
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:23 pm

    Very odd that an engine fire resulted in the crew being ordered to eject.

    Considering it is a twin engine aircraft I would have thought that shutting down the engine and attempting to land would be normal procedure.

    By ejecting you lose an aircraft, risk injury or death of the crew, and make it much harder to work out what went wrong...

    Good to see the Fencers are flying again.
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    Post  SOC Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:24 am

    GarryB wrote:Very odd that an engine fire resulted in the crew being ordered to eject.

    Maybe not. It could be that they didn't want to risk another issue and the jet coming down closer to KnAAPO in someone's yard. Could've been something else in play as well, i.e. fuel status, terrain (engine goes out, drop altitude, oh crap that's right this place ain't exactly flat), etc. Plus, they were ramping up to max speed. "Fire" might be code for "the engine blew up" leading to the potential for structural damage given the loadings on the aircraft while accelerating, damage that could make trying to land not so smart.

    Good to know the guys punched out OK though.

    And an export MK2? Vietnam? Indonesia?
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    Post  Viktor Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:49 pm

    SOC wrote:
    And an export MK2? Vietnam? Indonesia?

    Vietnam.
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    Post  George1 Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:39 pm

    MIG-29 fighter jet crashes in Moscow region, pilots manage to catapult

    MOSCOW, December 4. /TASS/. A MIG-29 fighter jet has crushed in the area of the town of Voskresensk, about 100 km to the south-east of Moscow, the press service of the regional Interior Department told TASS.

    Both pilots catapulted. No victims on the ground were reported.

    “The jet crashed near the village of Chemodurovo,” a spokesman for the department said. “Both pilots catapulted and one of them was taken to hospital.”

    Pavel Vlassov, the Director General of the Mikhail Gromov Flight Testing Institute said the jet had crashed during a test flight.

    When the crew was returning to the institute’s airbase in Ramenskoye, “something happened and the pilots were compelled to abandon the jet.”

    Vlassov also said that the aircraft itself was beyond repair.
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    Post  Firebird Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:13 pm

    Thankfully this has been a very empty thread the past couple of years.

    And very thankfully, the 2 pilots today were not seriously injuried.

    I suppose this is one benefit of a fleet that is becoming increasingly modern.
    Hopefully, safety can be increased even further.

    And civillian air-traffic shows similar improvement too. Sadly, civillian does have some notable improvements to make. (Top tier airlines eg Aeroflot, Transaero are as good as anyone tho) But again, is getting better.

    It would be interesting to see what technological and operational steps can be taken today to prevent incidents.
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    Post  mack8 Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:32 pm

    Crap, apparently it's a KUB, according to airforce.ru it's 204. cry
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    Post  medo Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:40 pm

    204 is prototype.
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    Post  mack8 Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:32 pm

    One of the pilots (Sergei Rybnikov) is said to be in coma...
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    Post  mack8 Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:51 pm

    According to recent updates Sergei Rybnikov passed away because of his head traumas. RIP.
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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:34 am

    Russian Su-24 Bomber Crashes Near Volgograd, Fate of Pilots
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    Post  Kyo Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:53 pm

    Russia grounds all Su-24 bombers after crash near Volgograd

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