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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:20 pm

    Crap, my bad. Sorry.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Militarov on Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:04 pm



    Alleged video of the crash

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  zepia on Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:10 am

    RIP.


    Russian Knights fighter jet crashes in Moscow Region — source

    MOSCOW, June 9. /TASS/.

    A Sukhoi Su-27 fighter aircraft of the Russian Knights aerobatic team has crashed in the Moscow Region and the pilot has been killed, sources in the law enforcement agencies told TASS on Thursday.

    "The aircraft that crashed today near the village of Muranovo [Pushkinsky district] was part of the Russian Knights aerobatic team of Russia’s Aerospace Forces. Its pilot was killed," the source said.

    Earlier reports said that the crashed aircraft was a Mikoyan MiG-29 belonging to an industrial enterprise. The MiG aircraft corporation later told TASS the planes of this type did not perform any flights on Thursday.

    Piloting error and engine failure are considered as the main causes of the crash, the source told TASS.

    The warplane crashed in the forest some 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) from the village of Muranovo. There are no houses nearby and the crash did not result in an explosion.

    Earlier in the day, a ceremony was held to open a monument to aviators in Ashukino, located near Muranovo. The planes of the Russian Knights aerobatic team flew above Ashukino as part of the event, attended by Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov and Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev.


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    http://tass.ru/en/defense/880988

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:39 pm

    Wth Blue Angels, Thunderbirds and now Russian Knights.
    Bad month all over.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  medo on Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:30 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Wth Blue Angels, Thunderbirds and now Russian Knights.
    Bad month all over.

    And today also crash F-5E from Patrouille de Suisse in Netherland. It looks really bad month for acrobatic groups. I would say that Red Arrows and Frecce Tricolori should be careful.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  archangelski on Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:39 pm

    zepia wrote:RIP.


    Russian Knights fighter jet crashes in Moscow Region — source

    MOSCOW, June 9. /TASS/.

    A Sukhoi Su-27 fighter aircraft of the Russian Knights aerobatic team has crashed in the Moscow Region and the pilot has been killed, sources in the law enforcement agencies told TASS on Thursday.

    "The aircraft that crashed today near the village of Muranovo [Pushkinsky district] was part of the Russian Knights aerobatic team of Russia’s Aerospace Forces. Its pilot was killed," the source said.

    Earlier reports said that the crashed aircraft was a Mikoyan MiG-29 belonging to an industrial enterprise. The MiG aircraft corporation later told TASS the planes of this type did not perform any flights on Thursday.

    Piloting error and engine failure are considered as the main causes of the crash, the source told TASS.

    The warplane crashed in the forest some 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) from the village of Muranovo. There are no houses nearby and the crash did not result in an explosion.

    Earlier in the day, a ceremony was held to open a monument to aviators in Ashukino, located near Muranovo. The planes of the Russian Knights aerobatic team flew above Ashukino as part of the event, attended by Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov and Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev.


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:56 pm

    Russian Tu-22M3 strategic bomber slides off runway

    http://defence-blog.com/news/russian-tu-22m3-strategic-bomber-slides-off-runway.html


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:13 pm

    If it was kept secret then how do they know?

    Anyway, interested to know what caused this.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  franco on Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:41 am

    sepheronx wrote:If it was kept secret then how do they know?

    Anyway, interested to know what caused this.

    Appears to have run off the runway. Unfortunately it had just received an overhaul in April. According to bmpd, it was the Ostov airfield in Pskov, just across the border from Estonia and Latvia which maybe is why that article was claiming it was a secret. Hopefully it is repairable.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1971082.html

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:02 am

    I wonder why they would field such an aircraft so close to the borders? Anyway, probably will be repaired, as the Su-34 that rolled over not too long ago was sent back to NAPO for repair.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:04 am

    Russia have for sure the worst record in the world in aircraft and helicopters accidents.
    Is abysmally bad ,and it should be really scary to fly in any military helicopter in Russia with
    the really poor quality controls..  As i said a year ago.. the rate of accidents of Russia seems
    to be a plane or hellicopter crash every 3 to 5 weeks. and this seems to be always the pattern. Sometimes as high as 2 crash per month Shocked

    Here is just another near fatal crash..

    http://tass.ru/en/society/893939

    Imho this is unacceptable
    I really thing many people have be fired from his job ,for such terrible quality controls
    and maintainance of Russian military aircraft. it seems that the probability to die
    in one military aircraft in Russia is about 20% to 30%. that is 2 or 3 accident for every
    10 aircraft flights. not good.. when is the Russian government going to improve
    que quality controls and supervision of their airforce?   No

    What is even more interesting in all this.. claims that oh no "this is normal"
    is that the Russian aviation private industry , Does not have this same abysmal record of accidents at all .  So the big problem here seems to be a management /supervision problem, in Russian Government with its mediocre leadership and abysmal supervision and abysmal quality controls.  I know this is the case.. because you can notice all this carelessness of Russia military for the conditions of many of its military bases. althought not all..



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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:13 am

    You have made a claim... back it up with facts or shut up.

    If the Russian military has the worst safety record then list the top five countries with full details of aircraft incidents... you claim to be the expert... now prove it.


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Singular_trafo on Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:50 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Russia have for sure the worst record in the world in aircraft and helicopters accidents.
    Is abysmally bad ,and it should be really scary to fly in any military helicopter in Russia with
    the really poor quality controls..  As i said a year ago.. the rate of accidents of Russia seems
    to be a plane or hellicopter crash every 3 to 5 weeks. and this seems to be always the pattern. Sometimes as high as 2 crash per month Shocked

    Here is just another near fatal crash..

    http://tass.ru/en/society/893939

    Imho this is unacceptable
    I really thing many people have be fired from his job ,for such terrible quality controls
    and maintainance of Russian military aircraft. it seems that the probability to die
    in one military aircraft in Russia is about 20% to 30%. that is 2 or 3 accident for every
    10 aircraft flights. not good.. when is the Russian government going to improve
    que quality controls and supervision of their airforce?   No

    What is even more interesting in all this.. claims that oh no "this is normal"
    is that the Russian aviation private industry , Does not have this same abysmal record of accidents at all .  So the big problem here seems to be a management /supervision problem, in Russian Government with its mediocre leadership and abysmal supervision and abysmal quality controls.  I know this is the case.. because you can notice all this carelessness of Russia military for the conditions of many of its military bases. althought not all..




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_(2010%E2%80%93present)

    By this wiki page the US accident record is waaaaay above to any other country.

    Russia seems has quite small number of accidenty compared tothe US.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:49 am

    Singular_trafo wrote:
    By this wiki page the US accident record is waaaaay above to any other country.

    Russia seems has quite small number of accidenty compared tothe US.

    Thats because that site the list is totally outdated ,and do not report not even 10%
    of the accidents in Russia with planes.

    But in the month of June 2016 alone about 5 plane accidents. in Russia alone.. This is not normal. at the pace Russia crash or have accidents planes , is faster at times than the pace they build them per month.


    http://www.defensetech.org/2015/07/06/fifth-russian-military-aircraft-crashes-in-past-month/

    http://live-defensetech.sites.thewpvalet.com/2015/06/11/three-russia-aircraft-crash-in-past-week-two-fleets-grounded/

    Then you compare all this accidents with the rate of accidents of Russian civilian PRIVATE airliners of Russia ,that do hundreds of flights every day over long distances. and there is a huge difference. because the record of Russia private companies is far better and this is planes with a million more parts and electronics. and that carry hundreds of people at a time.

    I cannot imagine why anyone here will see a single reason ,why 5 planes crashing in a month ,to malfunctions of hardware is a normal thing.  Shocked    And Russia being forced to ground
    not one but two totally different models of planes..  it looks like a serious problem of Russia
    quality controls check , perhaps combined with low payment and will not be surprised if also
    there is a facilities poor quality controls too.  

    In the above report they suggest is the over use the problem and that they are old
    planes. .but you see SU-34 with accidents too.  

    My believe however is the poor quality controls.. why ? we have seen that too ,
    in Russia space program with the Progress cargo space ship. and you have Rogozin himself
    speaking about problems with the people in charge of quality controls. and problems with the low pay.  I will like to imagine is just my imagination , but i cant do it.  No

    5 accidents in just one month looks too much for me. it have to be really scary ,
    to fly a military plane in Russia ,knowing that every month from 1-5 planes will crash in Russia.
    and you could be the next one.

    Will anyone here not feel worried if need to travel to another country and you become aware
    that every month the civilians airliner you will use , lose from 2 to 5 planes a month? Shocked

    I understand accidents happens , but this looks too much. No
    and it is summer ,that it cannot be blamed on "cold bad weather"

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:49 am

    In Portugal a firefighting Be-200 'clipped' trees http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2072023.html (in Russian, bunch more pics there)


    Looks more like 'flew through a copse' & somehow came out flying, made a landing Shocked

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Singular_trafo on Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:21 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Singular_trafo wrote:
    By this wiki page the US accident record is waaaaay above to any other country.

    Russia seems has quite small number of accidenty compared tothe US.

    Thats because that site the list is totally outdated ,and do not report not even 10%
    of the accidents in Russia with planes.

    But in the month of June 2016 alone about 5 plane accidents. in Russia alone.. This is not normal. at the pace Russia crash or have accidents planes , is faster at times than the pace they build them per month.


    http://www.defensetech.org/2015/07/06/fifth-russian-military-aircraft-crashes-in-past-month/

    http://live-defensetech.sites.thewpvalet.com/2015/06/11/three-russia-aircraft-crash-in-past-week-two-fleets-grounded/

    Then you compare all this accidents with the rate of accidents of Russian civilian PRIVATE airliners of Russia ,that do hundreds of flights every day over long distances. and there is a huge difference. because the record of Russia private companies is far better and this is planes with a million more parts and electronics. and that carry hundreds of people at a time.

    I cannot imagine why anyone here will see a single reason ,why 5 planes crashing in a month ,to malfunctions of hardware is a normal thing.  Shocked    And Russia being forced to ground
    not one but two totally different models of planes..  it looks like a serious problem of Russia
    quality controls check , perhaps combined with low payment and will not be surprised if also
    there is a facilities poor quality controls too.  

    In the above report they suggest is the over use the problem and that they are old
    planes. .but you see SU-34 with accidents too.  

    My believe however is the poor quality controls.. why ? we have seen that too ,
    in Russia space program with the Progress cargo space ship. and you have Rogozin himself
    speaking about problems with the people in charge of quality controls. and problems with the low pay.  I will like to imagine is just my imagination , but i cant do it.  No

    5 accidents in just one month looks too much for me. it have to be really scary ,
    to fly a military plane in Russia ,knowing that every month from 1-5 planes will crash in Russia.
    and you could be the next one.

    Will anyone here not feel worried if need to travel to another country and you become aware
    that every month the civilians airliner you will use , lose from 2 to 5 planes a month? Shocked

    I understand accidents happens , but this looks too much. No
    and it is summer ,that it cannot be blamed on "cold bad weather"
    Let go throught step by step.

    If the wiki record contain prooven data, but not complete, then you can expect that not only russian ,but other , including US data missing.
    Second, to make statistical analysis with high confidence you need to know the level of flight hours per accident during the give month

    Third, you need to compare the accident history of the russian air force to other air forces.



    It can be interesting to see this kind of analysis : )


    But, at the moment I can pickk month with 5 US military aircraft accident.

    So, your logic is seriously flawed from the begining.


    And about the quality, example by the records the soviet/russian nuclear reactor technology more robust, and less prone for breakdown, than the USA nuclear technology, based on the quantitive statistical analysis of the accident hystory.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  airstrike on Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:37 am

    Cockpit video from flipped Russian Su-34 emerges

    http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/20/cockpit-video-from-flipped-russian-su-34-emerges/

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:12 pm

    ANother combat jet lost by Russia ...  


    https://www.rt.com/news/369209-admiral-kuznetsov-su-33/

    But yes this is "normal".. Laughing

    IF things continues at this rate , Russia will lose its entire airforce in the aircraft carrier in less than a year just fighting the bad conditions for the pilots in landing.

    If Russia was on a state real war ,with NATO , and indeed depended on that aircraft carrier for the security of any allied country , then indeed they will be doomed big time for the really mediocre performance of Russia aircraft carrier in the zone. All this aircraft carrier issues shows
    Russia indeed needs to consider vertical landing jets , to solve the problems it have in security
    with the landing.

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