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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Prince Darling on Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:16 pm

    its getting ridiculous now

    Mi-28N helicopter crashed doing "idiotic maneuvers" (airshow).

    these airshows are starting to cost hundreds of millions in lost equipment and for what?

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:38 pm

    Prince Darling wrote:its getting ridiculous now

    Mi-28N helicopter crashed doing "idiotic maneuvers" (airshow).

    these airshows are starting to cost hundreds of millions in lost equipment and for what?

    For earning millions over millions, you genius...

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  whir on Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:44 pm

    LifeNews wrote:On "Aviamikse" crashed military helicopter

    RT wrote:Helicopter crashes at airshow in Russia, 1 pilot dead
    Published time: 2 Aug, 2015 09:36
    Edited time: 2 Aug, 2015 10:28


    An Mi-28N military helicopter has crashed near Russia’s Ryazan during an aerobatic display performed as part of the Aviadarts competition in the 1st “military Olympics” in Russia.

    One pilot managed to eject and his health is in satisfactory condition, but a second pilot died in the crash, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. Continue reading.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:50 pm

    Prince Darling wrote:its getting ridiculous now

    Mi-28N helicopter crashed doing "idiotic maneuvers" (airshow).

    these airshows are starting to cost hundreds of millions in lost equipment and for what?

    Ridiculous now not.. But months earlier.. it was ridiculous already..
    Russian pilots keeps dying almost every 2-4 weeks... This is complete incompetence
    and should be very embarrassing for Russia defense industry.. their quality controls
    are abysmal bad.. and it will be rare when a pilot is not killed in any month in RUssia..

    Today is August 2 2015.. when will be the next pilot killed? next week?  two weeks ?
    maybe 3 weeks ?  I don't understand why so much failure after failure.. and this is not old
    soviet technology but things that are supposed quite updated.  Everywhere on the internet
    everyone making jokes about RUssia disastrous state of Military Aviation industry.

    And this should be not a surprise.. for anyone.. The Russian Government continue hiring
    cheap labor even for their space industry... And It was Rogozin who suggested that the low payment of the technicians .affect their performance . Russia needs a major reform on its defense industry ,raise the salaries and professionalize their labor and very rigid quality controls.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:21 pm

    It's got nothing to do with the equipment this time it seems, just pilot error.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:32 pm

    Vann. Shut it. Majority of failures are old equipment. Only new equipment that failed would have been this as the Su-34 was due to pilot error. This may be first for new equipment that failed mechanically.

    They are saying that a main hydrolic system failed.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:59 pm

    One pilot is alive, the tail rotor had a malfunction and did not produce enough torque.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s8Ahcxg84g

    The pilot climbed out of the helicopter on his own.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:11 am

    Geez, shut up with the utter claptrap.

    This is the reality of frontline aviation within an air force, get used to it. The pilots know it's a possibility, as do the groundcrew, as does the entire  RuAF, right up to the MoD. So the least you can do is wrap your head around it as well.

    RIP to the pilot who did not survive. No

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:41 pm

    Werewolf wrote:One pilot is alive, the tail rotor had a malfunction and did not produce enough torque.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s8Ahcxg84g

    The pilot climbed out of the helicopter on his own.


    WHo will have guessed it ?  not a pilot error.. but a quality control error?
    Will people become upset like me if in 2 or 3 weeks another Russian pilot dies ?
    This things should not be happening.  And the issue of Poor quality controls in Russia defense
    industry again and gain show up... not just by internet forums , but by Russian top officials..

    the problem is not they don't identify the problem ,the problem is that they do nothing about it.
    The quality controls issue continues ,and only until people start get really angry against the
    government ,is when they will do something about ,it. Launching a criminal code investigation and sending to jail a mechanic that was lazy is not the way to fix the problem.. Is the leadership the problem ,that does not create an environment and system ,to make quality near bullet proof. with several checks by more than one technician .The whole system in Russia needs to change. if they do not have money to keep professionals well paid in the industry ,then they need to reduce the size of their industry.. better to have 1 plane well maintained that never crash in air , than 10 that experience difficulties and pilots risk their lives.

    This things should not be happening ever No , with such consecutive accidents every month that people die. lowers the morale of the entire airforce and makes them more worried not about fighting an enemy but whether or not their plane will be next to crash if the base technicians did  their job correctly.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:12 pm

    Vann and his cotton wool airforce... no one dies cause no one flies...

    A motto for a moron Vann, the Russian AF has to fly to do its job otherwise it is pointless.


    Whining when there is a crash is annoying... you might have noticed some posters mentioning this... whining when there is a death is offensive and disrespectful.

    Planes crash, people die... bleating about it like a little girl on a forum claiming you know better than the Russian air force crash investigators before the crash has even been investigated makes you look and sound foolish, but by all means pipe up with quality control bitch this and training bitch that... it does not help and it makes you look silly... your call.

    This things should not be happening ever No , with such consecutive accidents every month that people die. lowers the morale of the entire airforce and makes them more worried not about fighting an enemy but whether or not their plane will be next to crash if the base technicians did their job correctly.

    Are you drunk?

    Investigations take place with every crash and part of the report will be any changes in everything from the aircraft design to pilot training and manuals and to support issues that need to be made to prevent it happening again. The fact that they don't send you a memo does not mean it does not happen.


    The funny thing is that they also perform such investigations in all western countries too... and guess what... western planes and helicopters crash too.

    The thing you miss is that one crew man survived... could that just be a fluke, or might the design of the helicopter have saved his life... who will know because in Russia everyone who survives just dusts themselves off, says "whew that was a close one" and grabs a bottle of vodka and heads for the nearest bar while lighting up a cigarette... Rolling Eyes


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:25 am



    2 more children killed in Russia.. thanks to Russia wonderful Government incompetence.

    Russia: 2 children dead as plane and helicopter collide



    Now it was not mechanical part.. but incompetence of air traffic controllers .
    This is wrong ,dead wrong and anyone defending Russia extremely high air accidents
    as "normal" have to be living in a fantasy . Russia experience a fatal crash every 2 to 4 weeks..

    2 more weeks more people killed? who will be next? A criminal investigation was launched..
    and they need to start with the entire Government in Russia . that is incompetent .

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Ranxerox71 on Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:54 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    2 more children killed in Russia.. thanks to Russia wonderful Government incompetence.

    Russia: 2 children dead as plane and helicopter collide



    Now it was not mechanical part.. but incompetence of air traffic controllers .  
    This is wrong ,dead wrong and anyone defending Russia extremely high air accidents
    as "normal" have to be living in a fantasy . Russia experience a fatal crash every 2 to 4 weeks..

    2 more weeks more people killed? who will be next? A criminal investigation was launched..
    and they need to start with the entire Government in Russia . that is incompetent .
    First of all do not spreading sort to say BS, 98% of all accident was happened whit planes old more then 30 Years (i now talk about Military or BBC of Russia) This Mi28 and Su 34 was two Air crafts which have disaster , But Also as so many people from industry spoke, that urgently must be called FSB, Because failure 3 engines of four on OLD but proven engines like on Tu-95 Bear isn't Normal thing, from Other Side, Neither One Su 35S, Su30SM or Su27M2, or MiG31BM or Tu24M3 and M2 wasnt fall more then in any of AF around the world, about Joking o towards Russian AF , that is just another way that people show how seek they are , and what xenophobic indoctrination can do it to average brainless westerner consument, For Your info, USAF was lost from beginning of the year 30 Air crafts of different types and purpose, but no body lugh, Count all Russian BBC crash wouldn't not count 30 of such.But USA is switch politics of information whit USSR, during the cold war that information how some USSR plane is crash, wasnt possible to be published in ayn media etc(i mean on Military air crafts) Until in US such infos was almost always find skd
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    Another thing, which you must comprehend, "once up on a time" Ukrainian engineers was work on every fucking project of USSR, second in Ukraine exist so many people which can deliver knowledge how to made accident on plane by ultra simple means, and i'm sure that Russia will have possibility only bigger and bigger possibility's of sabotage on they Planes, one more thing exactly because on last Su derivate Like is Su35, Su30,Su34 Ka52 helicopter and similar by which Ukrainian wasn't haven't any insights in making new engines , electronics avionics etc, they doesnt fall just like that, and last but also often totally forgot fact, is that Russian Pilots in last three years have more hours of flights on all type of air crafts then before in last 15 years, just for example, Mi28 which is crashed from beginning of the year was have almost 300 hundred hours of flight under heaviest stress of materials because he was flight in Acro Group. Some little bit older pilots which is remember of days when they have for year flight hours which now do it for week.....All that bit by bit is coas that probability of crash today on Russian planes especially old ones(also is case whit Tu95, in just last two year fleet of Tu 95 was have more long range flights then before for ten years). So Situation is far from those how west wish to present it, but also that something is happen which beside, Age of some Planes, And other also can be result and coming from source of pure Sabotage. Russia is practically surround whit NATO bases, it is biggest country in the world when group of people which have intention to start chain of events which ultimate aim is crashing down of military planes, can relative easy to execute such task until Russian start to do same thing to them..and to find those one which is main operatives . In One thing you are perfectly right if in any given moment Russia get to hard proof of sabotage , that was also Killings of Russian officers.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:28 am

    Yeah... their road toll is actually rather worse... might be a better idea to fix that first Vann.

    I guess your solution is to fire everyone in the Russian government?

    I mean if there are any problems in what should otherwise be a perfect society it has to be the governments fault right?



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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:33 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:One pilot is alive, the tail rotor had a malfunction and did not produce enough torque.

    The pilot climbed out of the helicopter on his own.


    WHo will have guessed it ?  not a pilot error.. but a quality control error?
    Will people become upset like me if in 2 or 3 weeks another Russian pilot dies ?
    This things should not be happening.  And the issue of Poor quality controls in Russia defense
    industry again and gain show up... not just by internet forums , but by Russian top officials..

    the problem is not they don't identify the problem ,the problem is that they do nothing about it.
    The quality controls issue continues ,and only until people start get really angry against the
    government ,is when they will do something about ,it. Launching a criminal code investigation and sending to jail a mechanic that was lazy  is not the way to fix the problem.. Is the leadership the problem ,that does not create an environment and system ,to make quality near bullet proof. with several checks by more than one technician .The whole system in Russia needs to change. if they do not have money to keep professionals well paid in the industry ,then they need to reduce the size of their industry.. better to have 1 plane well maintained that never crash in air , than 10 that experience difficulties and pilots risk their lives.

    This things should not be happening ever  No  , with such consecutive accidents every month that people die. lowers the morale of the entire airforce and makes them more worried not about fighting an enemy but whether or not their plane will be next to crash if the base technicians did  their job correctly.

    And what do you know about quality control exacly? I can bet my life that you cant tell me 5 devices used by quality control department in factory that for an example produces a gearbox. How you explain then fact that US armed forces USN/USAF and Army aviation since 2010. had 70 crashes on US soil. So here we do not count birds that have crashed in Japan, Germany, Croatia, Afganistan, Iraq etc and there were quite a few probably to pump this number.

    So what is it for US? Quality control? Shitty pilots? Aliens? Helicopters need more torgue due to KFC having exceptional nuggets this week?

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:07 am

    Mi-24 Combat Helicopter Crash-Lands in Central Russia

    A Mi-24 helicopter crash-landed at an airfield in Central Russia.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — A Mi-24 Hind attack helicopter crash-landed on Wednesday at an airfield in Central Russia, no injuries have been reported so far, the Defense Ministry said.

    "On September 16, around 08.30 p.m. Moscow time [17:30 GMT], a Mi-24 helicopter made a crash-landing at the Dvoevka airfield in the Smolensk region after a training flight," the ministry said in a statement.

    According to the ministry, an investigation has been opened into the causes of the incident.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150916/1027104148.html#ixzz3m2XsBtok


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:34 pm

    Russian MiG-31 Combat Jet Missing in Russia's Far East - Defense Ministry

    Russian military lost contact on Friday with a MiG-31 interceptor, which was carrying out a training mission in Russia's Far East, the Defense Ministry said.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — According to the statement, a search-and-rescue effort is hampered by poor weather conditions.

    "A MiG-31 plane from the Eastern Military District disappeared from radar screens today [Friday] at 06.38 Moscow time [15:38 GMT]," the ministry said in a statement.

    "The aircraft was coming back to its base in the Kamchatka Territory after a routine training flight," the statement said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151030/1029364728.html#ixzz3q5prClqR


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  ult on Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:57 am

    Both pilots of the Russian MiG-31 [NATO reporting name Foxhound] interceptor are alive after their plane crashed in the Far Eastern Kamchatka peninsula, a law enforcement said Saturday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The source told RIA Novosti that one of the pilots was injured in the incident. The pilots will undergo medical inspection.

    Pilots of Russian Lost MiG-31 Incerceptor Found After Crash in Far East
    "The plane was discovered. It burned down," the source said.

    On Friday, the Russian military lost contact on Friday with a MiG-31 interceptor, which was carrying out a training mission in Russia's Far East.

    A Russian patrol aircraft has spotted the place of landing of both pilots in the early hours of Saturday.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151031/1029373365/far-east-interceptor-plane-crash-pilots.html

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:59 am

    No word yet as to why it crashed.  But good news is:
    http://tass.ru/en/society/833072

    Both pilots are in satisfactory condition with no life threatening injuries.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  AK-Rex on Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:33 pm

    MiG-31 crashed in Krasnoyarsk region (Kansk airbase). Crew fortunately catapulted All alive.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:52 am

    Four dead in crash landing of military helicopter in Russia’s Pskov region

    MOSCOW, February 8. /TASS/. The Russia Defense Ministry has confirmed the death of the crew - three pilots and a technician - of the Mi-8 helicopter that crashed in Russia’s Pskov region northwest of Moscow on Monday.

    "The rescue team that reached the crash site reported the death of three pilots and a technician," the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    The helicopter that belonged to an army unit deployed in the Pskov region was making a training flight when it lost contact with the ground services on Monday evening.

    "According to preliminary information, the helicopter made a crash landing in a forest several kilometers off the airfield," the defense ministry said.

    A source familiar with the situation told TASS the helicopter belonged to a military helicopter unit deployed at the Veretye airfield in the Pskov region.

    The region’s deputy governor, Maxim Zhavoronkov, told TASS the governor had been informed about the crash.


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    http://tass.ru/en/defense/855346


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  Backinblack on Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:07 pm

    George1 wrote:Four dead in crash landing of military helicopter in Russia’s Pskov region
    They all had children...

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  max steel on Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:19 am

    Su-25 crashed in Russia , pilot died.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:11 pm

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. A Sukhoi Su-25 attack aircraft crashed on Wednesday during the landing at an airfield in Russia’s Far Eastern Primorye territory, the defense ministry said.

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/defense/865961


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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:28 pm

    max steel wrote:Su-25 crashed in Russia , pilot died.

    According to tass, no deaths.

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    Re: Russian-Made Crash Notification

    Post  max steel on Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:07 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    max steel wrote:Su-25 crashed in Russia , pilot died.

    According to tass, no deaths.

    Just see the date of my and george1's post. The one I reported crashed on Feb 29 and pilot died.

    https://www.rt.com/news/334014-su-25-crashes-russia/

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