Alien Dawn

Mathematically alien life must exist.

The only evidence we are alone in the universe comes from the bible... which also started by saying the Earth was about 6,000 years old, was flat, and was the centre of the universe and was made in 6 days by an all powerful being called god that will send you to hell if you don't get on your knees and pray to him in their church.

The ease with which they dismiss other religions as false is enough reason to dismiss all religions as false.

Of course the huge irony is that it would take an enormous external threat to make humans realise they have more in common and that the big differences we dwell on so much really don't matter that much in the grand scheme of things.

To drag this topic off topic and make it fun... what would your end of the world alien invasion weapon load out of choice be?

Personally I wouldn't mind one of these:



This is the AIA M10A1 which is basically a .303 jungle carbine in 7.62 x 39mm calibre. Relatively cheap and light ammo that is easy to come by here now that with heavier bullet weights has good stopping power. The Lee Enfield action is familiar to me with a nice smooth action. It would cost a little more than the cheap Chinese 7.62 x 39mm bolt actions available here at the moment, but it seems to be the best option till I find a decent Russian bolt action in that calibre in my local gunshop.

Regarding Aliens... my thoughts follow Monty Python in their song whose lyrics end with something like "Pray that there is intelligent life somewhere up in space because there is bugger all down here on Earth".

Regarding Religion the Bible is probably the most revised book in history. As man learns about the universe around him, more specifically things that the people who wrote the bible clearly got wrong like the age of the universe they make stuff up to patch it.

Like the patches and updates for Windows operating systems.

I am sorry but cosmic time doesn't exist.

A year is the time period the Earth takes to orbit the sun.

A day is defined by the Earths rotation speed.

Before there was Earth and before there were people there were no time measures like years and days, and after the years and days were defined by what was supposedly created.

The suggestion that bible years are actually millions or billions of years doesn't make logical sense. When you are talking to earth worms that have no concept of time you don't talk to them in terms of years that are millions or billions of actual years long before it was born and suddenly now it is alive its years become limited by the time it takes for earth to travel around the sun.

It is like there is no mention of living things before humans and then dinosaur bones are found and all of a sudden there is an explaination for them too. Funny really because if the claims of religion were true and if religion would have scientific use they should have explained about the dinosaurs before evidence of them was found and studied.

Religion provides a moral code that on the surface looks pretty good as long as you actually obey it yourself and don't impose it on others.

Religion claims to offer answers yet in actual practise what it does is fight science tooth and nail. The problem for Religion of course is that Science is provable and actually practically useful.
Religion resisted democracy and many other things the west now holds dear and has been the opposite of assisting with progress for mankind.

The answers religion offers are largely meaningless too. Where do we come from? God made us in a poof of smoke. Well that is helpful to know. Science tells us about how stars and gravity for heavier elements that are necessary for the creation of life... the problem is their answer to why we are here is not popular.

We are here by accident. Trillions of little things all happened in the exact right order and the earth formed and we are the result of a lucky chain of events.
The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs and a large percentage of other life forms was lucky... for us. The collision of a large object with the Earth billions of years ago to form a large single moon that stops the Earths rotation from wandering all over the place making the planet unlivable for complex organisms was lucky too.

The point is that if we weren't lucky we simply wouldn't be here talking and thinking about it... something else would... perhaps evolved from lizards or the Octopus.

I have no problem with people believing in some higher power that will somehow make everything fair and look after you and family and friends when you and they die.

If you want to know why God seems so cruel sometimes... that is simple too. There are two obvious likely hoods. Either God has a specific plan for everyone. You can't help what you do because God controls your every move and every thought. This makes everything good and everything bad gods fault. Doesn't sound very convincing to me. Makes god sound like a real sadistic pr!ck, which is hardly going to make him very popular.
A more plausible option would be he did something to set in motion the creation of the earth as we know it... I doubt he went around personally and manually created things from atoms but it is plausible that he initiated the big bang and then followed the universes progress and interfered here and there to ensure life took hold in various places including Earth.
He might have seen that the dinosaurs had spent hundreds of millions of years just fighting each other (a warning to us perhaps?) and decided to knock a rather large rock from the Oort cloud to send them all to their grave to make room for that small furry clever little fellows.
In a mere two million years humans evolve way beyond any other species had in the previous 4 billion years and he allows us free will. We can do what we want and he will not interfere all the time. This means all the bad things are our fault. Don't blame your god, blame your fellow man and his parents for doing such a sh!t job of bringing them up.

Hope I haven't offended anyone... you are entitled to believe what you want... as am I.

I am not a 15 year old kid and didn't just decide overnight about what I believe so please no conversion attempts either... you might already have noticed how stubborn I can be.

You are quite correct.

I was actually meaning to refer to all the different interpretations of the same stories.

The bible was likely an omnibus of stories of accepted morality and codes of conduct all put together by the church of the time.

Those monks had to do something with their time so they collected all the stories they used to keep the local population in line and fearful. Who is going to leave their land and money to a church that forgives everything?

The fact that there is always a medicine man no matter how remote or backward or sophisticated the society suggests that man likes to think he knows the answers and have some control of the things around him.

Regarding the age of the earth I believe it was calculated by working through the x begat y from children to parent back to adam and eve.

The answer to all of your questions lies on the rock orbiting our planet. The rock with an atmosphere. Did you see the Apollo astronauts hammering that stake into the moon's surface? Gee there was a sound when the hammer struck the stake.

Show me the video.

Why did Russia say a few months ago they saw a laser flash on the moon?

There are several reflectors left on the moon by both the US and the Soviets so that lasers on the earth can be bounced off the surface to measure the distance accurately.

That is why they know the moon is slowly moving away from us.

After he realizes he is making noise....."change arms sir"...and you see him turning the hammerhead sideways so he quits making noise.

I am not convinced.

You didn't hear the clanging of the hammerhead on the stake?

Turn your volume up. What kind of craft is pictured in those NASA photographs on the moon?

I heard a noise, but those space suits are rigid, they are not like wetsuits... it could very simply be a case of his hammering movement resulting in part of the rigid suit hitting another part of the suit and making a noise.

If you follow cricket a very common problem is that sometime the batter clips his pads as he swings the bat that the umpire can sometimes mistake for the bat hitting the ball. It is not enough to just hear a noise, you need to prove the noise is what you think it is.

(note a part of the suit hitting another part of the suit would make both parts vibrate which could not be heard from the camera through the vacuum between them, but would go through the radio of the person using the hammer. The Camera is not recording the sound because it can't. The sound recording is of the radio communication between the spacemen.)

BTW I looked at those photos and on one part of one of the photos saw the letter e.

These photos are made up of dozens or hundreds of smaller photos and put together like a collage. These patterns of repeated craters could simply be an error in collaging these multiple images. I have put enough panoramas together manually with photoshop to know how easy that can be. It would be even easier to do it on purpose.