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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:02 am

    Hope it is not because of problems with the Mi-28N...

    They appear to be working hard on upgrading the design to a Mi-28M, but that wont be ready for a while yet.

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:33 am

    I don't think so....the Mi-28 will still be the more numerous one. They've also ordered a 20 or so Mi-35M2's probably because they can get them fairly quickly
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:47 am

    The Mi-35M2 has the added advantage of using Mi-28N bits so there will be some commonality.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:02 pm

    I assume those 140 Ka-52 will be additional to 30 Ka-52 ordered earlier.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:47 pm

    I think 140 all together. Looks like they've decided to go with 1 bigger order instead of ordering them in smaller batches. Which IMO is better for both the manufacturer and the Min. of Defence

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  KamovHelicopter on Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:23 am

    So what is the total number of Ka-52???

    140??

    I have information of 20 units and 30 in production. 140 sounds to much.

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:32 am

    140 all up (in the longer term). It's unclear whether that includes already produced/ordered examples or not.

    Also, the Ka-52 simulator produced by "Dinamika" has passed state tests and will enter service

    Arrow http://vpk.name/news/59273_gosispyitaniya_trenazhera_ka52_zavershilis_v_cntu_dinamika.html

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    BTW, the Mi-35M order has been increased from 22 to 30 helicopters
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:33 am

    Must say I am really pleased they are buying the Hokums as well as the Havocs.

    They are different enough to be worth buying both... the Hokums will be particularly good in mountains and at altitude, while the Havocs will be cheaper to maintain and operate and offer excellent punch for the cost.

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    History of the Kamov Ka-50 (named Black-shark or Werewolf) combat helicopter is almost 20 years old. Its development was initiated after the preliminary project was prepared by the Kamov designing office, in December 1977. The new combat aircraft was intended to become a counterweight to the USA attack machine “AH-64 Apache“ which was included in the US Army arsenal in 1976. Mr. Sergei Mikheyev, chief designer of the Kamovs designing office, took that office of the beginning of the 70s, after the Nikolai I. Kamov died, with whom he used to have a close co-operation since as early as the 60s. Typical for the predecessors of this helicopter were primarly two symmetrical coaxial rotors. In addition to the older Ka-10s, Ka-15s, and Ka-18s, as well as to Kamov Ka-26s, it was the Ka-27, Ka-29 and Ka-32 types which have been widely used especialy by marine air force. Based on the experience acquired from their operation, a project of a new helicopter designed for ground forces was originated.

    Various prototypes and pre-series versions of the Kamov Ka-50 Werewolf combat helicopter have already been existing for last years. The Kamov Ka-50 Werewolf was gradually modernised. At the beginning of 2011, its advance type identified as the Black Shark underwent challenging tests. It was demonstrated for the first time, both on a static platform and with live fire in progress, on the Maquatra desert polygon, at the world armament exhibition IDEX ’97 in Abu Dhabi, in March 1997.

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  KamovHelicopter on Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:53 pm

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:57 am

    There is a photo on the latest Takeoff magazine that shows a new model Ka-52 with 6 wing pylons instead of 4.

    In the past I have seen drawings with 6 weapon pylons for the Hokum series with the normal loadout on the inner two pylons of two 20 shot 80mm rocket pods on the inner pylon and two loads of 6 Vikhr-M on the two middle pylons and twin Igla launchers on the two outer pylons.

    Vikhr can be used against aircraft, but dedicated air to air missiles makes sense too.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:01 pm

    As I know, Ka-50 could also use R-73 air to air missiles.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:46 am

    Just noticed something.

    http://otvprim.ru/news24697.html

    President-S on the Ka-52. And we got a glimpse of what could be Arbalet.
    Add to that MAWS, LWR....very nice indeed.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:43 pm

    You are correct, it have DIRCM balls and Arbalet radar inside nose. If I'm correct, they also have new data link system.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:27 pm

    Array is much bigger than Longbow on Apache too...they are also planning AESA on it in the future...the Kamov fanboi in me is pleased indeed.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:05 am

    The AESA will likely be fitted to the naval Ka-52s for the Mistral as it will be used for air to air and air to surface looking for naval targets.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:37 am



    First new serial Ka-52 with Arbalet radar, MAWS and DIRCM balls entered in Russian military. I hope previous examples will also be equipped with Arbalet radars and MAWS / DIRCM systems.

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Austin on Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:22 am

    Russian Helicopters a conglomerate of all Russian chopper business has released this chart of future platforms development.

    Note worthy are 2015-2020 development period , 3 new chopper are under development Mi-383 to replace Mi-8/17 , New Universal Strike Chopper to replace the Ka-52/Mi-28 and Ka-65 to replace the Ka-28/29/31 Naval ASW.


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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:52 pm

    http://www.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201203071002-zvpt.htm

    New video from Torzhok, where are new Ka-52 helicopters with yellow 96, 97 and 98 bort numbers and equipped with DIRCM balls. They really look great in new gray color scheme.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:22 pm

    Interesting to see they have three weapon pylons under each wing.

    Perhaps they have more engine power?

    Likely the new pylon will add 4 or 8 Iglas for self defence from enemy aircraft...
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:03 am

    Engines are same on recent 2 and 3 pylon birds. Not sure if VK-2500 is worked out yet or not. 3 pylon is standard now though, they have been spotted in the factory like that for a while now.

    The Ka-52 fanboy in me is pleased.
    Best flight performance AND weapons payload of any attack helo out there.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:45 am

    Would like to see them equipped with full helmet mounted sights (I mean proper sights, not NVGs).

    Night optics imagery and of course flight information directly in their field of view would be awesome IMHO.

    I am really looking forward to seeing Mi-28NM to be honest too.

    I think I remember reading somewhere that Klimov will start making the VK-2500 in 2013 or 2014 for new helos like the Ka-52 and Mi-28NM...
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  TR1 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:59 am

    Yes, indeed, I recall that about VK-2500. Not too soon too, the extra weight needs to be offset.

    The Mi-28 seems to be behind at this point, at least on paper, so I hope they hurry with NM. After surging ahead on Production, the current serials still don't have the Launch Warning sensors mounted, even though they are identical to Ka-52/already seen on a Mi-28NE. Must be integration issues. Kamov already has radar mounted, and its placement is much less troublesome than the Mi-28s.
    No sight of President-S on Mi-28 either.

    ofc the Mil guys claim their stuff is working and doing its thing while the Kamov "show birds" spend all their time on the ground.

    http://www.vz.ru/photoreport/566703/

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:11 am

    They need Hermes and air launched Krisantema in service... both of which will expand their performance significantly.

    That new attack helo UVK is interesting...

    It is described as a strike aircraft and with a tail pusher propeller might be the replacement for the Su-25 perhaps?

    But even if it has double the speed... 500-600km/h it will still not have the endurance and payload capacity of a jet...

    The problem with stealth on a helo is it seriously restricts payload options... internal carriage was not efficient except on large aircraft... that is why most modern pre 5th gen fighters carry their weapons externally.

    I have read that they are planning to put President-S and all the associated bits and bobs and fully working bits in the Mi-28NM.

    The Mi-35M is selling pretty well and is even being accepted by the Russian Army and is pretty much an Mi-28N without the radar.

    The Mi-28N without radar is pretty similar to AH-64A which was a capable attack helo, though the Havok has shorter ranged missiles with less armour penetration.

    With Krisantema fitted the current Mi-28N is not a bad helo, and is rather better than the in service Hind.

    The aircraft wont be complete till it has a full ESM suite and radar fitted.

    Having said that the Havok has both cm and mm wave radar for air and ground search respectively, and in terms of range performance exceeds other systems by significant margins.

    cm wave radar is a common air to air radar band so it should be able to detect aerial targets at 20km or more... 360 degrees around the aircraft. The mmw radar is supposed to be able to detect tank sized targets out to 15-16km which is almost double the range for the D model Apache.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

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