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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  galicije83 on Mon May 29, 2017 6:22 pm

    all missiles was fired from distance of 8km. u can see in left down corner distance and ПР command on piltot HUD (ПР or PR is command given by computer when is missile in target range. For Vikhr is 8.0km)...

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  ult on Tue May 30, 2017 2:24 pm

    No. Not all. There were 5km shots.

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  ult on Tue May 30, 2017 9:29 pm

    You can see the distances here.

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:56 am

    ult wrote:You can see the distances here.


    I would say it is Ataka not Vikhr ATGM. 20 sec for 8km and 13 sec for 5.5km does not sound like Vikhr.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:21 pm

    21 seconds to 8km is 380m/s average, 11 seconds to 5km is 454m/s average.

    It does sound like ATAKA at an average of 400m/s, but Ataka can't hit targets at 8km range...


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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:22 pm

    14 Ka-52's to be delivered this year. Not sure if the 50 left on the contract is the present total or what will be left for delivery in 2018-2020. The contract reportedly was for 146 helicopters.

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170603/1495732127.html
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:21 seconds to 8km is 380m/s average, 11 seconds to 5km is 454m/s average.

    It does sound like ATAKA at an average of 400m/s, but Ataka can't hit targets at 8km range...

    Ataka 9M120M have range of 8 km, so maybe Ka-52 use Ataka at its max range thanks to precise radar, which could calculate precize distance of launching to the target to use missile effectively at max distance.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  galicije83 on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:51 pm

    Or Russians used latest D version of ataka missile with range of 10kms....
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:27 am

    Another use of Vikhr-1 missiles from Ka-52 helicopters in Syria



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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:03 pm

    George1 wrote:Another use of Vikhr-1 missiles from Ka-52 helicopters in Syria


    Night launch from 7,5 km distance.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:21 pm

    George1 wrote:Another use of Vikhr-1 missiles from Ka-52 helicopters in Syria


    I am really wondering is it sensor resolution to be blamed, or export compression, but that FLIR is so grainy my eyes hurt.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:55 pm

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1093p275-ka-52-in-russian-air-force

    In Voenaya priemka video about Ka-52, FLIR and TV picture on pilots LCD displays was christal clear and quality of picture is not reduced by zooming. By the pictures given from Werewolf, similar bad resolution have low level light TV. Could be, that RuAF intentionally give bad resolution LLLTV night attack video instead of FLIR, that we could not see real capabilities of russian FLIR camera. But if LLLTV could still attack targets at 8 km distance in the night, it is still great as LLLTV could be a back up for FLIR camera. This mean two night channels, II and TI and we could add here radar as well.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:18 am

    In training a Ka-52 damaged itself shooting the gun http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2657147.html


    Dunno how that happens, I'd assumed there was a solid angle limit on the gun to prevent that.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  archangelski on Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:57 am

    hoom wrote:In training a Ka-52 damaged itself shooting the gun

    Dunno how that happens, I'd assumed there was a solid angle limit on the gun to prevent that.

    Shell malfunction ??

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  marat on Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:34 pm

    His rotor lack one blade that couldnt be from his shell.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:01 pm

    Shell malfunction ??
    From the wide shot I thought it might have been an early detonation but look at the closeup one, you can see the scrape trail of the shell hitting at low angle before it digs in at the panel (presumably then explodes forward of the radome causing the shrapnel damage)
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:50 pm

    What is the detector on the side ? President S ?
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:25 pm

    Dunno how that happens, I'd assumed there was a solid angle limit on the gun to prevent that.

    Perhaps the gun in the Ka-52 is the same as the Ka-50 with the same angles of movement despite the larger nose in the Ka-52...

    From the wide shot I thought it might have been an early detonation but look at the closeup one, you can see the scrape trail of the shell hitting at low angle before it digs in at the panel (presumably then explodes forward of the radome causing the shrapnel damage)

    The fuse on the 30mm shells has an arming delay so it would not explode immediately when it hit the fuselage side...



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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:07 pm

    I meant some kind of fuse failure so it detonated in the air next to the radome without hitting anything -> shrapnel damage.

    Perhaps the gun in the Ka-52 is the same as the Ka-50 with the same angles of movement despite the larger nose in the Ka-52...
    That seems like an unlikely engineering fail.
    I'm thinking that during a burst the recoil can cause it to bounce a bit past the angle limit or maybe bad adjustment by ground-crew?
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:54 am

    The damage is limited to a very small area, which suggests to me the round was not that close when it exploded.

    If the fuse had failed I would expect there would have been no explosion at all.

    The minimal fragment damage suggests the delay on the fuse worked as advertised and detonated the round well clear of the helo.. the shell fragments would mainly go sideways and forward, so the limited damage suggests parts of the round blown backwards were to blame for the damage.


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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:57 am

    I am really wondering is it sensor resolution to be blamed, or export compression, but that FLIR is so grainy my eyes hurt.

    A recent news article on Sputnik mentioned they were improving their helos based on experience in Syria and that one of the things they were improving was to clarity and range of optics fitted to attack aircraft.


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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  hoom on Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:06 am

    Via Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/6hljrl/russian_ka52_helicopter_shots_himself_location/
    Apparently the Egyptian Ka-52s have a bracket to prevent this

    So I guess that will start showing up on Russian birds soon™
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:33 am

    Bracket?

    All I see inside that red drawn circle is the fold down step to the left and a handle to the right to help the crew to get on board the aircraft...


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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:39 am

    Considering the amount of time this design has been tested I was reading through the stupid comments on the link posted above about it being made of Balsa wood and it made me think... considering it role perhaps they were testing APDS rounds.. with rifling the sabots would shed rather rapidly and could have made the slicing damage without the gun being able to angle far enough to hit the fuselage...


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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:18 pm

    Russia’s Alligator attack helicopter’s land version to get folding blades

    The helicopter’s modernization has already begun

    MOSCOW, July 10. /TASS/. The land version of the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator (NATO reporting name: Hokum-B) reconnaissance/attack helicopter is expected to get folding blades as part of its upgrade, Russian Helicopters Group, part of Russia’s state hi-tech corporation Rostec, told TASS on Monday.

    "As the technique of folding blades has been mastered, a possibility is being considered to use this technology also in the manufacture of the land version of this helicopter’s modification," the Russian Helicopters press office said.

    The helicopter’s modernization has already begun. This innovation will make it possible to keep this helicopter at hangars, which gives the Alligator’s land version a fundamental advantage, the press office said.

    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov earlier said that Ka-52 Alligator helicopters could be modernized considering the experience of their combat use in Syria.

    According to the deputy defense minister, the Ka-52 has proved its worth in combat operations in Syria.


    More:
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