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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:12 pm

    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/29/heli1/

    Not in air force, but related. Near Moscow crash Ka-52 prototype, property of Kamov OKB, pilots are injured and alive. It was not clear if pilots were catapulted or not.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:22 pm

    medo wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/29/heli1/

    Not in air force, but related. Near Moscow crash Ka-52 prototype, property of Kamov OKB, pilots are injured and alive. It was not clear if pilots were catapulted or not.
    footage on RT shows that the rotor blades where intact and the canopy too, so they didn't need to catapult.

    Let's see what the investigations will show further about that accident.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:16 pm

    What is weird is that The RT.com reports shows the KA-52k helicopter crash with only one layer of blades..

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    http://rt.com/news/helicopter-falls-moscow-906/

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    With doors open and looks that crashed right next to another Ka-52 that shows in the photo..
    Wikipedia says that preliminary investigation show was  "malfunction of the ejector (seat) mechanism" which caused it to activate involuntarily."

    probably the helicopter have and engine malfunction , or they hit something with the blades many birds or a tree.
    or perhaps the ejection mechanism was activated involuntarily and cause some blades to eject and helicopter to crash.
    Either way not very good this accidents, when they are supplying Iraq with many of them.
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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:27 pm

    Maybe this ejection mechanism malfunction blow the lower rotor away and than it crash without control.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:26 pm

    2 crashes in 16 years is hardly a reason for iraqis to back off otherwise all other attack helicopters should have been forbidden through higher accident rates.

    Also, that "malfunction" sounds rather odd, since it has 3 switches one controls both rotor blade explosive charges and the other is control ejection and master ejection switch.
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:14 pm

    Does anyone know where i can find the overall flight hours of all machines, in generally about helicopters total flight time of helicopter type?
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:45 pm

    New Ka-52 delivered to Western military district

    First Ka-52 "Alligator" joined the Army Aviation Park WEST


    Can anyone manage to trace the numbers?

    "Until the end of the year the number of helicopters of this type in the Western Military District will increase to 12 units"
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    Post  medo on Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:13 pm

    For now I know they have 16 Ka-52 in Krasnodar region (south military district) and similar number in Chernigovka in far East. I was thinking, they will give more Ka-52 to those two units to have full regiments of 24 helicopters.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:41 pm

    http://russianplanes.net/images/to127000/126457.jpg

    Great photo.
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    Post  calripson on Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:34 am

    How many Ka 52 delivered in 2013 and to where ?
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:24 pm

    http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/245342.html
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    Post  mack8 on Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:34 pm

    Photo report from Progress (Ka-52 hand over):
    http://visualrian.ru/ru/site/feature/366812/
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:45 am

    calripson wrote:How many Ka 52 delivered in 2013 and to where ?

    Good breakdown here:

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/700413.html

    2013: 17 built
    2012: 21 built
    2011: 12 built

    In total, including prototypes, 65 Ka-52s built to date. 2 crashed.
    63 birds are split:
    -20 @ Chernigovka
    -16 @ Korenovks
    -8 @ Torzhok
    -12 being sent to Ostrov
    -2 not sure
    -5 prototypes owned by Kamov

    Good numbers! Seems like we are going to end up 350+ new attack helos by 2020. Even better than I expected!
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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:08 pm

    mack8 wrote:Photo report from Progress (Ka-52 hand over):
    http://visualrian.ru/ru/site/feature/366812/


    New video from OTV Primorye about the handover in the Progress factory in Arseneev (Primorye region)



    And a photo that shows a Ka-62 prototype in the background.

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    Post  mack8 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:06 pm

    Thanks, any videos or pictures from V. Bondarev's visit to KnAAZ?
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:11 pm

    Any figures about Ka-52 curved transparency armor?

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:16 pm

    No files or direct data i could find, but it is a traditional ballistic shield like any other to sustain shockwaves and low velocity impacts of flying around materials and with that is meant more like bird impacts or stones, not really bullets or anything of that speed.

    Couldn't find the specific manufactor of this glasses.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:40 am

    I have read a report about testing of the Ka-50 with all flat transparencies where it was hovering 200m from a Shilka that fired a 200 round burst into it. The entire tail assembly was blown off, but as that is not necessary in a coaxial design the aircraft was able to fly to a nearby base and land... with heavy vibration.

    It reportedly has a two layer armour structure that makes it rather well protected.
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    Post  medo on Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:21 pm

    I don't know, what is the level of armor in Ka-52 cockpit, but RuAF could combine both Ka-52 and Mi-28, where Ka-52 take out AD complexes, defending ground units, from safe distance and than Mi-28 destroy the rest of ground forces and have good armor to survive hits from infantry small arms and heavy machine guns. Interesting is, that Ka-52 is designated as scout helicopter and not as attack helicopter.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:31 pm

    I have read a report about testing of the Ka-50 with all flat transparencies where it was hovering 200m from a Shilka that fired a 200 round burst into it. The entire tail assembly was blown off, but as that is not necessary in a coaxial design the aircraft was able to fly to a nearby base and land... with heavy vibration. wrote:

    Do you have a source for this?

    Sounds little bit unbelievable, (not that it couldn't survive it) but that someone would actually test it.


    Interesting is, that Ka-52 is designated as scout helicopter and not as attack helicopter. wrote:

    Actually Ka-52 was designed as an Attack Helicopter but due the military needs and the operational effeciency lies in coordinated and commanded attacks and not just in technology on its own, they decided to make the older Ka-50 doctrine of beeing special forces attack helicopter with the old plans to mature it in a commanding attack helicopter.

    It may have a little bit lower ballistical protection when compared with Mi-28 and Ka-50 but overall it outperformce both in survivability along with its Vitebsk and DIRCM equipment.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:41 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    Do you have a source for this?

    Sounds little bit unbelievable, (not that it couldn't survive it) but that someone would actually test it.

    They would use remote-control for anything like that.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:43 pm

    They would use remote-control for anything like that. wrote:

    I meant it both ways regardless of unmanned or manned, that test is surely cost intensive at least 16 mln USD cost intensive, don't know if a company can risk so much money.
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    Post  medo on Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:04 pm

    It may have a little bit lower ballistical protection when compared with Mi-28 and Ka-50 but overall it outperformce both in survivability along with its Vitebsk and DIRCM equipment.

    This and use of long range ATGM as Hermes (maybe even antiradar Kh-31P, if it will be integrated with Ka-52K, could be also with Ka-52), will make Ka-52 very well suited to do SEAD/DEAD mission for its group of attack helicopters, so they could easier destroy armored vehicles and infantry, considering that western ground forces don't have medium or long range SAM, only MANPADs and SHORADs.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:48 pm

    Along with Hermes-A like you said and even the ZALA-Aero Network for airdropable small UAV's like Zala 421 it will have and already has the highest survivability.

    I'm just waiting when this airdropable UAV's matures into flying kamikaze aircrafts with 1-2kg warheads.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:50 am

    Werewolf wrote:

    I meant it both ways regardless of unmanned or manned, that test is surely cost intensive at least 16 mln USD cost intensive, don't know if a company can risk so much money.

    Most of it should be recoverable.

    Then they can rebuild it and test something else on it.

    I don't think they would use a serial production version for those sorts of tests; more like one of the prototypes lying around whose usage is coming to an end now that the helicopter is readying to enter production.

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