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    d_taddei2

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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:44 am

    Anymore info on the sub? Are they still looking?
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    Post  Airman on Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:06 pm

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:14 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Anymore info on the sub? Are they still looking?
    Yes but only for the wreck, not survivors.

    Seems to be a World Navy search going on. The Russian 'research' ship Yantar has just arrived.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:04 pm

    Airman wrote:

    With all due respect for the perished in those incidents, gentlemen at AFP forgot to add Minerve (S647), USS Thresher (SSN-593) and USS Scorpion (SSN-589) to this list...
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:07 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Airman wrote:

    With all due respect for the perished in those incidents, gentlemen at AFP forgot to add Minerve (S647), USS Thresher (SSN-593) and USS Scorpion (SSN-589) to this list...

    This seems to be list of fairly recent incidents.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:23 pm

    Argentina finally bought five decommissioned French deck aircraft Super Etendard

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3072308.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:52 pm

    Perhaps the Argentine submarine "San Juan" is found
    http://www.ng.ru/news/627707.html?print=Y
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:24 pm

    Argentina signed for 4 Gowind corvettes, France is just waiting on payment.

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    Post  hoom on Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:01 am

    Sub has been found

    At red dot near middle of the search area

    Disappointingly, as far as I can make out it was in an area Yantar went over possibly several times.

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    Post  hoom on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:20 pm

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    miketheterrible

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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:01 pm

    a lot of ships were looking for it in that area. Took a private company to find it.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:45 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:a lot of ships were looking for it in that area.  Took a private company to find it.

    And when you know that modern mines are just torpedos 1000 time smaller than this waiting on the bottom silently ...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:01 am

    Argentina hides the truth about the death of San Juan submarine
    The Yantar' couldn't find it- was it looking in the wrong places or its equipment is inferior?
    The sub isn't worth salvaging; the crew is reduced to bones now- my condolences to their families.
    Women still wishing to serve on subs worldwide & esp. in Argentina got a wake up call.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:16 am

    Might have been the case that they were detecting it at the wrong angle and didn't recognise it for what it was... and that is for all the other platforms that missed this wreck?

    This quote says quite a bit:

    “There’s some quite interesting sea life and geographical features. It’s extraordinary how many submarine-shaped and -sized rocks are down there,” Plunkett previously said. “There’ve been a number of times the guys on the ship got excited because there’s something 40 meters long, 5 meters wide, 6 meters high, and it’s turned out to be wrong. It’s truly astonishing.”

    From here:

    https://news.usni.org/2018/11/17/u-s-underwater-mapping-firm-finds-wreckage-missing-argentine-sub
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:46 pm

    The stormy S. Atlantic is not a place to operate old SSKs.
    Argentina should get new SSKs or follow Brazil in developing an SSN, if she could afford it.
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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:28 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The stormy S. Atlantic is not a place to operate old SSKs.
    Argentina should get new SSKs or follow Brazil in developing an SSN, if she could afford it.
    Age had nothing to do with the disaster. Russia and many other countries operate subs from the 1980's in fact I believe usa still operate a sub from the 1970's and taiwan in 2017 spent around $19-20mn refitting a sub from ww2 era it's still in active service although likely for training purposes I'd imagine it's at least 80 yrs old. And Russia still operates the [size=35]Kommuna a ship that was commissioned in 1915 that's 103yrs old and why because it still does the job although doing a job slightly different of its original job but still useful and it would cost Russia 100's millions of dollars to build new one so no point when refitting old one still does the job u want it too. Although I know subs are a bit different but the Argentine wasn't exactly old old it was likely down to bad servicing,  malfunction or crew error [/size]
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:45 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Argentina signed for 4 Gowind corvettes, France is just waiting on payment.

    it will be the OPV version

    https://www.janes.com/article/84948/argentina-confirms-the-purchase-of-four-french-opvs?from_rss=1



    The government of Argentina has approved the contract to purchase four Gowind-class offshore patrol vessel (OPV) 87s from French shipbuilder DCNS for a total of EUR319 million (USD363 million).

    The purchase includes the already built L'Adroit , which in 2016 visited the region on a marketing trip, and three new vessels.

    L'Adroit, launched in 2011, will undergo maintenance and will receive some modifications prior to delivery to Argentina in 2019. The acquisition will be equally financed by three institutions: the French Credit Agricole Corporate and Investment Bank, Natixis SA also from France, and the Spanish bank Banco Santander SA.

    The four OPVs will reinforce a diminished force that has suffered many financial and operational constraints during the past decades.
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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:39 pm

    I find it odd how Argentina will purchase French weapons after the fact France gave Intel to England regarding the anti ship missiles during Falklands war.
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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:02 pm

    Those OPVs won't be dealing with the RN anyway, so why not?
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    Post  Isos on Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:38 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I find it odd how Argentina will purchase French weapons after the fact France gave Intel to England regarding the anti ship missiles during Falklands war.

    First, UK had exocet so they knew pretty much everything about them.

    Second, even if you know perfectly a system doesn't make it useless. One exocet was fooled by chaffs but then targeted another ship in the group.

    Third, there were french technicians in argentina working on the exocets (maintenance work) when war started. Officially they did nothing. Unofficially they were active in upgrading them.
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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:12 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I find it odd how Argentina will purchase French weapons after the fact France gave Intel to England regarding the anti ship missiles during Falklands war.

    The current govt. running Buenos Aires is a neo-liberal govt. According to neo-liberals buying weapons is a way to buy favors, and even supersedes military doctrine. That strategy has worked so well for the Saudi-Might military, what could go wrong?

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