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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  Isos on Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:10 pm

    George1 wrote:Dassault Mirage F.1 of French Air Force may be sold to Argentina

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2206152.html


    They want Mig https://sputniknews.com/business/201701271050058782-russia-argentina-mig-29/
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    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:34 am

    Argentine Air Force continues to dive

    According to the magazine "Jane's Defence Weekly" article Santiago Rivas "Argentina officially suspends fighter replacement program", Argentine Defense Minister Julio Martinez February 1, 2017 announced that after discussions with the Argentine president Mauricio Macri, the Government decided to suspend the acquisition program of new fighters for replacement of old American attack aircraft Lockheed Martin (McDonnell Douglas) A-4AR Fightinghawk.

    Argentine Air Force plans to retire all the A-4AR Fightinghawk until 2018 due to lack of spare parts and production resource. Previously, the entire fleet of Dassault Mirage Argentine Air Force fighter aircraft was decommissioned in November 2015 without any replacement.

    The decision on refusal for the purchase of new fighter jets made in connection with the Argentine economic problems and, according to Martinez, it was decided that it will not undertake any new aircraft purchases in the short term, at least, as long as the country's financial situation does not improve.

    Argentine Air Force has long been trying to acquire at least some fighters instead of write. If in respect of retired fighters Mirage failed, the Argentine Air Force leadership hoped to replace at least A-4aR as a temporary measure 12 light fighter / trainer aircraft - potentially such as Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 or Leonardo M- 346FT.

    Martinez said that now the Air Force Argentina will seek to focus on the purchase of about ten turboprops to control northern border against illegal flights, enhance aircraft fleet IA-58 Pucará and the partial replacement of the Embraer EMB-312 Tucano as advanced training aircraft. Proposals were received regarding the possibility of deliveries of aircraft Beechcraft T-6C + Texan II and Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano, but the status of the negotiations is uncertain.

    The current decision to the Government of Argentina is that Argentina will have no fighter jets after the write-off of aircraft A-4AR, resulting in the Argentine Air Force will not be able to fulfill one of its main tasks to control Argentine airspace.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2411148.html


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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:35 am

    Argentina is negotiating with France to buy six old Dassault Super Etendard ground-attack fighters, withdrawn from the French Navy aviation, to the amount of 12 million euros.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2687817.html


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    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:52 am

    George1 wrote:Argentina is negotiating with France to buy six old Dassault Super Etendard ground-attack fighters, withdrawn from the French Navy aviation, to the amount of 12 million euros.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2687817.html

    I've read in French magazine Opex360.com that it was Mirage F1.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:23 am

    I find stupid for Argentina to put money to replace old planes with other of similar generation


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:50 pm

    They will need to come with a huge spare parts pool, because new parts will likely be hard to come by these days I suspect...



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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:They will need to come with a huge spare parts pool, because new parts will likely be hard to come by these days I suspect...


    It was about that too. They wanted like 60 M2000 F1 for 30 million but just few were able to fly, the rest was to be canibablized.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:53 pm

    George1 wrote:I find stupid for Argentina to put money to replace old planes with other of similar generation

    They don't have money ... They need something that can fat least fly.
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:25 am

    George1 wrote:I find stupid for Argentina to put money to replace old planes with other of similar generation

    No money available whatsoever. They need something dirt cheap that can fly next 10 years. France can provide spares and logistic even longer as long as Argentinians can pay for it.

    And there is nothing cheaper on the market atm, unless you go for something like J-7 instead Very Happy
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:57 am

    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:I find stupid for Argentina to put money to replace old planes with other of similar generation

    No money available whatsoever. They need something dirt cheap that can fly next 10 years. France can provide spares and logistic even longer as long as Argentinians can pay for it.

    And there is nothing cheaper on the market atm, unless you go for something like J-7 instead Very Happy

    When you know there are typhoons, su-30MKV, Gripen Ng arround them, it's stupid to buy it, mirages or J-7. Better go for Pantsir and few trainer aircraft that can be armed.
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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:08 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:I find stupid for Argentina to put money to replace old planes with other of similar generation

    No money available whatsoever. They need something dirt cheap that can fly next 10 years. France can provide spares and logistic even longer as long as Argentinians can pay for it.

    And there is nothing cheaper on the market atm, unless you go for something like J-7 instead Very Happy

    When you know there are typhoons, su-30MKV, Gripen Ng arround them, it's stupid to buy it, mirages or J-7. Better go for Pantsir and few trainer aircraft that can be armed.

    Idea is to keep aviation around, if you neutralise your own aviation completely, you will need decades to reform it, this way they can keep fighter pilots in training, in future when money appears they can fairly easy retrain them to anything.

    And Pancirs wont do any good in air policing Very Happy

    And well armed advanced trainer per piece costs more than whole this contract.
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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  medo on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:08 am

    Argentina could go by Haftar way for Libya. Take a squadron of MiG-23MLD from RuAF reserve stocks and pay for their upgrade with Zhuk radar and equip them with Kh-31A anti-ship missiles and R-77 and R-73 air to air missiles. Comparing to old French Super Etendards, MiG-23MLDs have small number of flying hours, they still have big stock of spare parts and engine could be replaced by Al-31F engine from Su-27, which is still in production. Like in Libya, they could equip MiG-23 jets with IFR probes from Mirages. Good choice for Argentina, MiG-23 is fast and well agile with +8,5 g and with good range ( better than MiG-29).
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    Post  Militarov on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:25 am

    medo wrote:Argentina could go by Haftar way for Libya. Take a squadron of MiG-23MLD from RuAF reserve stocks and pay for their upgrade with Zhuk radar and equip them with Kh-31A anti-ship missiles and R-77 and R-73 air to air missiles. Comparing to old French Super Etendards, MiG-23MLDs have small number of flying hours, they still have big stock of spare parts and engine could be replaced by Al-31F engine from Su-27, which is still in production. Like in Libya, they could equip MiG-23 jets with IFR probes from Mirages. Good choice for Argentina, MiG-23 is fast and well agile with +8,5 g and with good range ( better than MiG-29).

    Its big, big question of state of those MiG-s. Last pics i saw of some "stored" Mig-23s they were just laying around in 2m tall grass covered with protective sheets and like that since early 90s. I doubt there is any significant number of well stored 23s around.
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    Post  medo on Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:00 am

    There are a lot of shelters in Russia, which were built for MiG-21 and MiG-23 jets and are too small for newer RuAF jets. Most probably those MiGs laying around are those returned home from bases in ex-WP states and other now foreign countries for which they didn't have shelters at home.
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    Re: Argentina Military: News

    Post  Militarov on Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:37 am

    medo wrote:There are a lot of shelters in Russia, which were built for MiG-21 and MiG-23 jets and are too small for newer RuAF jets. Most probably those MiGs laying around are those returned home from bases in ex-WP states and other now foreign countries for which they didn't have shelters at home.

    Considering fact only fraction of Ex-USSR airforce ever had shelters, and that many do not exist today... that number is very, very small. They never properly stored even MiG-29s that were removed from service, let alone MiG-23s... MiG-27s they wanted to return to service in late 90s were inspected and comment by engineers was: "In too bad shape to be returned to service". And bulk of them were retired just years before. Imagine how well stored they were. And it was 18 years ago. Today its rust-fest.

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