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    Post  mutantsushi on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:That sort of engine location has been tried on the AN-72 and while found to be efficient in terms of flight and takeoff performance, it makes the engines very hard to service... perhaps a walkway building into the wing structure with access via roof hatches in the fuselage would enable maintainence at airfields not equipped with cranes or raised platforms...
    Not quite sure what you mean by the bolded (were you thinking of roof hatches in the context of high-wing An-72?), that sounds tedious vs. existing over-wing emergency exits, though I wouldn't expect even those would be used because of hassle of entering plane and carrying tools thru, etc.  I just don't think the rough-field maintenance (or even operations) you seem to be imagining are a design factor in ANY civil jetliner of this size nowadays.  

    Nacelle access via step-ladder and standing on wing does seem plausible enough, or else with hydraulically raised  walk-ways... For engine removal I would guess that a standard fork-lift could be trivially adapted, if not a customized hydraulic engine cradle (which are used on larger engines now)  Any location that has qualified staff to work on the engine will have the tools they need as well, so if it is forced to make emergency landing at unprepared field, it will wait for repair team+gear to be delivered, just like the other civil airliners it is meant to compete against...

    Ultimately, where else are they going to get the aerodynamic, ground noise, and fan-size benefits this enables?  Obviously the maintenance procedure will need to be tweaked vs. low-mount engines (likewise for HondaJet), but I hardly see that costing enough to out-weigh the benefits.

    Anyhow, the point about enabling larger fan sizes in this segment of civil airliner obviously points to Geared Turbofan developments...
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:57 am

    Not quite sure what you mean by the bolded (were you thinking of roof hatches in the context of high-wing An-72?), that sounds tedious vs. existing over-wing emergency exits, though I wouldn't expect even those would be used because of hassle of entering plane and carrying tools thru, etc.  I just don't think the rough-field maintenance (or even operations) you seem to be imagining are a design factor in ANY civil jetliner of this size nowadays. 

    The roof hatches were in context of the An-72.

    In terms of this new aircraft they should make clearly marked areas from the fuselage where technicians can walk on the wing so they can walk on the wing around the engine... a major part of the success of the podded engine design used around the world on civilian airliners is their ease of access to the engines... putting them on top of a wing makes access harder... as I said with the example of the An-72... there were plenty of good reasons for putting it there in terms of thrust and lift and drag, but the current development of the An-72 is basically called An-148 and is pretty much just an An-72 with pod mounted engines to ease maintainece access.

    Nacelle access via step-ladder and standing on wing does seem plausible enough, or else with hydraulically raised  walk-ways... For engine removal I would guess that a standard fork-lift could be trivially adapted, if not a customized hydraulic engine cradle (which are used on larger engines now)  Any location that has qualified staff to work on the engine will have the tools they need as well, so if it is forced to make emergency landing at unprepared field, it will wait for repair team+gear to be delivered, just like the other civil airliners it is meant to compete against..

    There are plenty of airfields around the world still where hydraulically raised platforms are simply not available. Being able to access the engines from both sides by being able to walk on the wing is all I was suggesting.

    Ultimately, where else are they going to get the aerodynamic, ground noise, and fan-size benefits this enables?  Obviously the maintenance procedure will need to be tweaked vs. low-mount engines (likewise for HondaJet), but I hardly see that costing enough to out-weigh the benefits.

    I am not saying it can't be done... I expect their experience with the Coaler will be used in the formulation of this design...


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:37 am

    KRET creates avionics for MS-21 airliner together with the Israeli company

    WTF ?


    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2023130

    MOSCOW, June 5. /TASS/. The specialists of the concern radio-Electronic technologies (KRET, part of rostec) has discussed with Israeli partners from Elbit Systems ("Elbis systems) implementation of joint development of multifunction indicator for the MS-21 airliner, announced on 5 June at the press service of the concern.
    The Israeli side, said KRET, supplies Ulyanovsk instrument design Bureau computing module, which is part of the indicator.
    "The meeting was devoted to debugging of equipment and preparation for the start of mass production of modular avionics segments for the MS-21. It is important to compare notes before the beginning of a new phase of integration of the production, which will begin in June this year", - said the chief designer of the Bureau Alexander Vinogradov.
    The Ulyanovsk enterprise is developing a control system aircraft equipment SOSO-MS-21, a system for measuring air data SIVD-21, as well as indicators and remote controls integrated avionics system, which ensures the creation of a single information-control field of the cockpit.
    In the creation of medium-haul passenger aircraft MS-21 is attended by about 100 Russian and international companies. KRET, in particular, delivers up to 80% of the avionics. It is expected that the first flight of the airliner will make in 2016, and mass production will begin after 2020.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:42 am

    What's the problem? lol
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:11 am

    Mike E wrote:What's the problem? lol

    I would leave sponsoring of Israeli industry to US Keeping traditions is very important Surprised). Russia should stick to import from Israel Jaffa oranges or onions.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:42 am

    Boycott the terrorist nation at all costs, period. Not to mention that it is right out hilarious and stupid at the same time to corperate with Israel on Aviation, since all their scientists were mostly from Soviet Union, so russia is corporationg with its own ideas and build up intellectual workforce... reminds me what we are doing here in germany. Bundeswehr builds up facilities and military bases, sells them after few years and then rents the place for decades while paying to private companies millions...that is what that is.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:50 am

    If the alternative is to cooperate with Europe or the US then I would say cooperating with Israel is fine on civilian aircraft... though that might lead to issues with some potential clients... hopefully there is an all russian Avionics version in that regard....


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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:47 pm

    If Israeli technology will make the MS-21 more competitive than I'm all for it.

    The Sukhoi Superjet involes a whole bunch of companies from all over Europe, the countries of some of which have worse relations with Russia than Israel has with Russia right now.

    No-one's boycotting or sanctioning the Superjet, although I suspect it's a possibility if things keep going south.
    Therefore it makes sense to weave away from European suppliers and partners, and onto those from other countries.
    Those other countries can include other US allies too; but that Russia has good relations with - such as South Korea, Japan, Turkey, UAE, Jordan and Israel.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:56 am

    flamming_python wrote:No-one's boycotting or sanctioning the Superjet, although I suspect it's a possibility if things keep going south.
    The Superjet has been very successful with its only Western customer, Mexican Interjet, which praises its high reliability (a bit higher even than the Airbus 320, Mexican pilots call it "el tanquito", "little tank"), fuel efficiency, and good hot-high performance. I guess what is preventing other airlines from ordering it is fear of an escalation of Western sanctions that may target this aircraft.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:59 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:No-one's boycotting or sanctioning the Superjet, although I suspect it's a possibility if things keep going south.
    The Superjet has been very successful with its only Western customer, Mexican Interjet, which praises its high reliability (a bit higher even than the Airbus 320, Mexican pilots call it "el tanquito", "little tank"), fuel efficiency, and good hot-high performance. I guess what is preventing other airlines from ordering it is fear of an escalation of Western sanctions that may target this aircraft.

    and Indonesian Sky Aviation. I mean contracts inked not options. China is in talks with Russia about 100 Superjets. If India will be next customer then SSJ has nice future.

    West is not needed in this equation.

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    Post  mutantsushi on Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:13 am

    Curious about status of PSV program, the image displayed seemed to be Mil's concept,
    if their design is having problems, wouldn't Kamov's pusher design be considered as alternative?
    Good to hear that Mi-38 and Ka-62 are still moving along, hopefully will see full production soon...
    I know Ka-62 had been sold to Colombian and Brazilian customers, hopefully they can fulfill those orders...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:29 pm

    Meet Afalina: Russian manufacturer reveals the world’s cheapest helicopter

    The Russian designers are about to fulfil the consumer’s dream of an affordable helicopter, with Afalina rotorcraft expected to cost about half than currently the cheapest offer on the market and run on car fuel as it goes into production in 2016.


    http://rt.com/news/266872-afalina-helicopter-cheapest-russia/

    HeliWhale, a company from the Siberian city of Kemerovo, revealed its unique helicopter at the HeliRussia 2015 exhibition, which took place in Moscow in late-May.



    An ultra-light, coaxial two-seater is called Afalina, the Russian word for bottlenose dolphin, with the rotorcraft’s hull resembling the shape of the marine mammal’s body.

    Afalina is designed as a multipurpose helicopter capable of performing a variety of tasks, including the training of pilots, maintenance of pipelines and power lines, aerial surveillance, police patrolling, transportation of personnel, farm work and recreational flights.



    One of the machine’s key features is the customizable Enigma system, which allows the pilot to pick and choose his cockpit display layout from hundreds of devices and functions.

    The coaxial positioning of rotors used in Afalina ensures that the aircraft is easier to pilot, more silent and more resistant to lateral wind gusts.

    HeliWhale said that the patented new control system of coaxial rotors also provides the helicopter with high velocity of up to 250 kilometers per hour at max speed.

    The aircraft, weighing 270 kilograms, is capable of carrying a payload of another 180 kilograms, the company said.

    Afalina can also be refueled with conventional 95 octane car fuel, with the consumption between 12 and 16 liters (3 to 4 gallons) per hour

    According to HeliWhale, the helicopter will cost $120,000, which includes heating and ventilation systems in the cockpit.

    “Today nobody else produces aircrafts of this class, even the two-seater ‘Robinson’ is heavier than ‘Afalina’ and is, in fact, a completely different machine,” Jacov Kolesnikov, general director of HeliWhale told Russia and India Report website.

    “The American Robinsons are also much more expensive. A two-seat helicopter costs $300,000,” he added.

    Afalina has been built from scratch by the Russian designers, with HeliWhale producing all parts itself, except for the Austrian made engine, Rotax.

    “We are looking for domestic engines, and if there is a quality Russian engine, maybe we'll switch to it,” Kolesnikov said.

    Endurance test for the flying prototype of the rotorcraft are about to begin in short term.

    The company says that its production plant in Kemerovo will be able to build from 10 to 15 machines every year.

    They’ll be supplied to customers as kit-sets models for self-assembly in order to keep the price low, the developer said.

    Besides Russia, HeliWhale is planning to engage with the US, Australian, and EU markets, saying that it already has orders for Afalina from abroad.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:[b]Meet Afalina: Russian manufacturer reveals the world’s cheapest helicopter
    awesome! imagine having this as your commuter vehicle! hope they make a version with clear floors so one can look down at all the plebs stuck in traffic.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:28 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:[b]Meet Afalina: Russian manufacturer reveals the world’s cheapest helicopter
    awesome! imagine having this as your commuter vehicle! hope they make a version with clear floors so one can look down at all the plebs stuck in traffic.


    Or a safer option, such as having high-def cameras on the sides of the helicopter, pointing towards the bottom, with Plasma screens in the cockpit display showcasing what happening in the streets below.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:04 pm

    Costs 120 grand and considered a consumer product for the future average joe?? This helo, although awesome costs as much as a fucking ferrari!!
    Wake me up when I can swap a ford,toyota or at least mercedes for this
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    Post  max steel on Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:02 pm

    Aviadvigatel suspends cooperation with Ukraine on PD-14 project

    JSC “Aviadvigatel” (Perm region, part of “United Engine Building Corporation”) has suspended cooperation with the Zaporozhye Design Bureau to produce a PD-14 engine for MC-21 aircraft, the deputy chief designer and chief designer of the PD engine family Igor Maximov told the journalists.

    “In the draft PD-14, we included two variants of the combustion chamber. The first was developed by “Aviadvigatel” and CIAM named after Baranov, the alternative – the development of the Zaporozhye Design Bureau.

    The project of Zaporozhye Design Bureau has been very promising. The combustion chamber showed good performance on tests. But, unfortunately, due to the complication of the political situation at the moment the project is suspended,” he said.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:28 pm


    100 Sukhoi Superjets to be delivered to China.

    http://www.rg.ru/2015/07/08/reg-urfo/samoleti.html
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:32 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    100 Sukhoi Superjets to be delivered to China.

    http://www.rg.ru/2015/07/08/reg-urfo/samoleti.html

    As recently as 3 years ago I was being told by an ex-pat liberast that the SSJ was a vapourware project.
    Everything in Russia is Putin's totalitarian fiction in their minds. In objective terms these malcontents
    are autistic-schizophrenics of a certain type. Although, they are not handicapped in the usual sense,
    their mental disorder seems to be a lifestyle choice.
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:25 pm

    kvs wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    100 Sukhoi Superjets to be delivered to China.

    http://www.rg.ru/2015/07/08/reg-urfo/samoleti.html

    As recently as 3 years ago I was being told by an ex-pat liberast that the SSJ was a vapourware project.
    Everything in Russia is Putin's totalitarian fiction in their minds.   In objective terms these malcontents
    are autistic-schizophrenics of a certain type.   Although, they are not handicapped in the usual sense,
    their mental disorder seems to be a lifestyle choice.

    Western propaganda and the fact that they never show actual interviews with Putin, because it would make to much sense and counter the entire anti russian and anti-putin propaganda, but people are believing the same crap like Putin being like Kim Yong Un, which is the same nonsense, that he is somehow responsible for all the laws, projects, desires, visions, political or religious views of people and dare someone's alarm does not set off in early morning and they come to late to work it is also Kim Yong Putin's fault.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:33 pm


    In May this year, the total operating time of commercial flight hours Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft in the airlines has made more than 100 thousand since the beginning of operation in April 2011.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/65170/

    SSJ-100 promo video:

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    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:49 am

    Denis Manturov: It is necessary to provide a portfolio of orders for the Tu-204 aircraft at least 5 year


    http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/7/15/137714/

    Denis Manturov noted in his speech that the Ministry of Industry pays special attention to the support of domestic industry, including the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Plant.

    "With regard to the development of" Aviastar-SP ", the main product, which is now already running in the series - the Il-76MD-90A, and it understood the volume of orders by our law enforcement agencies - the Defense Ministry, Interior Ministry, the Emergencies Ministry and foreign customers. Today, we receive requests from our foreign colleagues is on this plane. Previously, we did not produce IL-76 in Russia, the production moved from Tashkent. As for the Tu-204, taking into account the devaluation of the ruble, the aircraft gained some competitive opportunities, compared to foreign counterparts. At that cost, which is formed on the plane, and with a range of 10 thousand. Kilometers we get orders from the prospects for corporate clients. Naturally, remain orders and property administration of Russian President. The main task - to provide a portfolio of orders at least 5 aircraft per year with the expectation of production capacity of 6-7 aircraft in 2017. It will be up to the moment until it comes out on a series of major aircraft MS-21, what will happen closer to 2020. This period we expect to complete the TU-204 in different versions for corporate customers ", - said Denis Manturov.


    According to the minister, "Aviastar-SP" will continue to repair the An-124, and the UAC expects to implement the program of heavy transport aircraft in terms of creating a family of 80 to 200 tons. "This work is carried out together with the Ministry of Defense, and we need to decide before the end of next year in some settings in some years we will have to move from the stage of R & D to the development work," - said Denis Manturov.

    During the meeting, the presidential envoy in the Volga Federal District Mikhail Babich said that the main problem for the domestic industry in the current political and economic situation - to implement a policy of import substitution. "Today there is a large range of products for which you need to create production capacity and design, scientific research institutions, to pick up shots, commit funds to ensure the cooperation of various sectors of industry. United Aircraft Corporation is already in this job, "- said M. Babich.

    Each region developed their own plans for the "road map" of import substitution, which should be implemented with the support of Industry and Trade. In addition, the department is created at the initiative of the state information system, which will be filled with the necessary information to facilitate interaction between the enterprises themselves, said the press service of the Aviastar.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:50 am

    I would be happy if they get orders to make 30-40 Tu-204SM by 2020

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