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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:22 pm

    Honesroc wrote:http://www.aeroflot.com/cms/en/new/46601

    MOSCOW, 15 JANUARY 2015. JSC Aeroflot («the Company», Moscow Exchange ticker: AFLT) and JSC Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA) have signed an agreement for an additional 20 of the latest Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft.
    Aeroflot will receive the additional SSJ-100s in full specification, able to accommodate 87 passengers in a spacious dual-class configuration (12 seats in business and 75 in economy) and with a flight range of 2,400 km.
    The new aircraft will fly on short-haul domestic routes operated by Aeroflot Group subsidiaries, where the Superjet 100 has already proved highly effective. As the Russian domestic market continues to expand rapidly — Aeroflot Group’s domestic traffic increased 23.6% year-on-year in November 2014 — the new aircraft are expected to make a significant contribution to the Group’s future growth.
    The SSJ-100 is a next-generation regional jet developed and produced by JSC Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA) in cooperation with the Italian Alenia Aermacchi and with components provided by leading Western companies. The SSJ-100 received certification from the Aviation Register of the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC AR) in January 2011.
    The new agreement is in addition to an existing contract for 30 SSJ-100s, and will bring Aeroflot Group’s fleet of SSJ-100s to a total of 50 aircraft by 2017.
    Aeroflot is committed to a proactive policy of fleet management as part of its ongoing drive to grow its position as a leading European and global airline. The airline currently operates the youngest fleet of any major airline worldwide, comprised of 150 aircraft manufactured by Airbus, Boeing and Sukhoi.

    Wow, an increase of 23.6% in domestic air travel resulting in a surge of domestic demand for aircraft. Those sanctions are utterly destroying the Russian economy....
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    Post  George1 Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:57 pm

    Yuri Slusar: The first MS-21 flying prototype will be manufactured in 2015
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    Post  Kyo Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:32 pm

    UAC new execs to be tasked to oust foreign rivals from Russian aviation market: Rogozin
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:03 am

    Video about Il-114 revival:

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    Post  a89 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:01 pm

    Aeroflot will receive the additional SSJ-100s in full specification, able to accommodate 87 passengers in a spacious dual-class configuration (12 seats in business and 75 in economy) and with a flight range of 2,400 km.

    I wonder the impact of the rouble-dollar exchange rate on the SSJ cost. Many components come from foreign suppliers.

    Russian Space Center is going to get 2 Tu-204. The aircraft were probably the ones operated by Vladivostok Air... this aircraft refuses to die.

    http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/1/19/129225/
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:16 pm

    Kyo wrote:UAC new execs to be tasked to oust foreign rivals from Russian aviation market: Rogozin

    Seeing as how the EU and US are never really going to allow Sukhoi or Irkut, or anyone else to break into their own civil airlines markets, dominated as they are by Boeing and Airbus (both with generous helpings of state support) - perhaps Russia should help its own producers by throwing Boeing and Airbus the fuck out of Russia's own airline market too? (at least for the models where alternatives exist)

    Hawker, Cessna, Bombadier, Dassault, Piaggio, etc.. can go join them too. Although that might be a little premature; if Russian aircraft manufacturers actually stand a chance in these segments and can still weave through all the EU/US red-tape, obscure and constantly shifting environmental regulations and sanctions presented before them.

    Of course I'm not advocating protectionism as such; Russian airline manufacturers should still be fair game for their Chinese, Japanese, Brazilian, Israeli, Swiss and other competitors.
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    Post  AbsoluteZero Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:52 pm

    Is it now a totally localized production? Or will they still import some parts from Uzbekistan? Thanks
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:09 am

    I suspect it will be fully localised...
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    Post  Kyo Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:46 pm

    First flight of Russia's MS-21 aircraft to take place in April 2016: Deputy PM Rogozin

    It is planned to get the plane up in the air in 2016 and from 2018 on — to release a whole series of them

    GORKI (MOSCOW REGION), January 26. / TASS /. The first flight of the new Russian aircraft MS-21 will be held no earlier than April 2016, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Monday at a meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

    "In order to decrease the aircraft weight, we are using certain new composite materials, alloys, and we expect that the MS-21 would be about 13-15% more competitive than the Airbus and Boeing,” Rogozin said.

    "I want to let you know that just two days ago we put together the first section of the MS-21 fuselage, meant for 180 passengers. We plan to get that plane up in the air next year and from 2018 on, we plan to release a whole series of them," Rogozin said.

    "We are planning for the first flight to take place starting April 2016, within the first half of the calendar year," Rogozin added.
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    Post  Kyo Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:32 pm

    Russia Plans to Sell Up to 1,000 MC-21 Passenger Jets in 20 Years
    15:17 26.01.2015(updated 17:02 26.01.2015)

    According to Russia's deputy prime minister, Russia intends to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets over the next 20 years and foreign companies, including Lufthansa, are interested in buying the civil aircraft designed to carry up to 212 passengers.

    GORKI (Moscow Region), January 26 (Sputnik) – Russia plans to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets within the next 20 years, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Monday.
    “The Irkut company plans to sell up to 1,000 of these planes over the next 20 years and we already have 175 solid orders,” Rogozin said during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow.
    Rogozin said that foreign buyers, including Lufthansa, were interested in buying the civil aircraft designed to carry up to 212 passengers.
    “By 2018 or 2019, we will begin seriously squeezing out foreign-produced aircraft from our domestic market,” Rogozin added.
    In November 2014, Russian Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said that the first MC-21 aircraft would be constructed by the end of 2015. The parts for the aircraft will be mostly produced in Russia. Manturov also added that the aircraft would be more price competitive due to the depreciation of ruble.
    In November 2014, India expressed interest in purchasing the aircraft.
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    Post  Honesroc Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:02 pm

    Kyo wrote:GORKI (Moscow Region), January 26 (Sputnik) – Russia plans to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets within the next 20 years, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Monday.
    “The Irkut company plans to sell up to 1,000 of these planes over the next 20 years and we already have 175 solid orders,” Rogozin said during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow.

    This is just political posturing. While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000. Not only is the market already heavily-saturated with competition, that competition includes long-proven products from Boeing and Airbus.

    Rogozin is prone to blustering anyway..
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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:18 am

    Honesroc wrote:
    Kyo wrote:GORKI (Moscow Region), January 26 (Sputnik) – Russia plans to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets within the next 20 years, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Monday.
    “The Irkut company plans to sell up to 1,000 of these planes over the next 20 years and we already have 175 solid orders,” Rogozin said during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow.

    This is just political posturing. While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000. Not only is the market already heavily-saturated with competition, that competition includes long-proven products from Boeing and Airbus.

    Rogozin is prone to blustering anyway..

    That's a hilariously vapid, butthurt post. The SSJ-100 has 296 orders already. Yet the MC-21 will not sell more than 200 in 20 years?

    Put the crack pipe down.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:10 am

    The SSJ does not have 296 orders.

    Way to argue with disinformation.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:20 am

    TR1 wrote:The SSJ does not have 296 orders.

    Way to argue with disinformation.
    Yes it does... 296 orders with more than 100 more options.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:35 am

    Options are not orders. Some of them are frozen contracts from years ago.

    http://superjet.wikidot.com/sales

    You want accurate figures, look here.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:48 am

    TR1 wrote:Options are not orders. Some of them are frozen contracts from years ago.
    I'm stupid but I'm not *that* stupid.

    You may be right, but from what I've heard it is something over 200 firm with options for more. That's not a ton, but it is something for sure.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:53 am

    Airliners.net has a thread that tracked the # of orders for the SSJ, but I can't seem to find it.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:06 am

    Last I checked the firm order was around 160, with another 24 options from those customers.
    Recently there were some more minor orders and 20 from Aeroflot.

    The rest are less clear.

    No need for airliners.net, Superjet Wikidot has it all.
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    Post  mutantsushi Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:32 am

    kvs wrote:
    Honesroc wrote:...While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000.
    That's a hilariously vapid, butthurt post.   The SSJ-100 has 296 orders already.   Yet the MC-21 will not sell more than 200 in 20 years?
    He didn't say anything like "not more than 200", he just said he's sure it won't be 1,000.  I.e. 300, 400, 500, 800 are all all legit.  

    ...Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that "within 20 years" SSJ-100 will have a re-engine (along with carbon wings and other modifications)
    which will maintain it's desirability vis-a-vis global competitors in the sector, accounting for which makes the 1,000 figure more than plausible...
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    Post  Mike E Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:17 am

    TR1 wrote:Last I checked the firm order was around 160, with another 24 options from those customers.
    Recently there were some more minor orders and 20 from Aeroflot.

    The rest are less clear.

    No need for airliners.net, Superjet Wikidot has it all.
    I'll look more later, as for now, the more sources the merrier. The 200 figure includes all recent deals, so that could explain the gap in different sources' figures.
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    Post  TheArmenian Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:31 pm

    Add another 8 planes on the order list for the SSJ. The Ministry of Emergency Services has signed a contract for 8 SSJs and 10 Il-76-90TD.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/57742/

    By the way, It is not right to use SSJ orders to forecast MS-21 orders. These are two planes in different classes. The market for narrow-body mainstream airliners (where MS-21 will be competing) is larger than the market for regional jets (where SSJ belongs).
    I don't know if 1000 MS-21 airplanes will be built in 20 years, the future will tell. But I don't expect Russian airlines to order any Airbus A-320 and Boeing 737 series airplanes in the foreseeable future.

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    Post  Honesroc Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:42 pm

    I won't dignify some of the comments my post received, suffice to say this: Do I welcome competition on the global market? Yes, I'm looking forward to the day when the MC-21 program takes flight. That said, I don't see Russia producing 1,000 airframes in a twenty year-span, particularly given the success of the A320 and 737 programs.

    Rogozin's statement ignores a lot of economic variables in Russia, and more importantly, the narrow-body market which will continue to be dominated by Boeing/Airbus (and yes, it is saturated). I stand by my remarks as they pertain to the MC-21 program.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:59 pm

    TR1 wrote:The SSJ does not have 296 orders.

    Way to argue with disinformation.

    Ok, sunshine, prove it. I have one source that says it is 296. Give us numbers from your sources.

    Your full time job on this board is to piss on Russia. Give it up, the Sukhoi SSJ-100 is lost cause for
    you twits. First you liberasts claimed it was varpourware, then you claimed it would get no orders
    now you are quibbling about the rate of orders.

    What a bunch of losers.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:02 pm

    mutantsushi wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Honesroc wrote:...While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000.
    That's a hilariously vapid, butthurt post.   The SSJ-100 has 296 orders already.   Yet the MC-21 will not sell more than 200 in 20 years?
    He didn't say anything like "not more than 200", he just said he's sure it won't be 1,000.  I.e. 300, 400, 500, 800 are all all legit.  

    ...Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that "within 20 years" SSJ-100 will have a re-engine (along with carbon wings and other modifications)
    which will maintain it's desirability vis-a-vis global competitors in the sector, accounting for which makes the 1,000 figure more than plausible...

    What part of

    While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years.

    implies an upper bound greater than 200. It says exactly 200 in 20 years and nothing else. If the original butthurt poster wanted
    to say something else then it is up to him to use the right language and not my job to guess at what he meant.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:02 pm

    Man, the SSJ-100 and MS-21 (will be at least) the best selling civil aircrafts in Russia's history. Even if they don't sell a thousand or half of that. Just means that they really have stepped up their game in civil technology.

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