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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  nastle77 on Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:I guess it is possible, but the ballistic path on the way to the target area would make it rather vulnerable to interception by SAM... SS-N-16 is a 65cm weapon... I would say a 100km shot with a 50 Knot torpedo would be more likely than a 30-40km shot with a much smaller torpedo with a much smaller HE payload...
    Makes sense , You are referring to type 65 76 torpedoes which were high speed wake homing and long range >50 km?
    Could they be carried by any sub with 65 cm tubes?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:18 am

    Could they be carried by any sub with 65 cm tubes?

    I would expect that would be the purpose of fitting 65cm tubes on a sub... to allow the use of such torpedoes and weapons...

    Obviously you need a bigger sub to carry such tubes/weapons, but then the role of larger vessel would be to operate further from shore where enemy subs and carrier groups are more likely to be encountered...


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  franco on Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:39 pm

    Are these items improved RPU's or chaff / flare devices?

    https://ria.ru/arms/20170102/1485082489.html
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:59 am

    Удав-1М is also known in the west as RBU-12000:

    http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/udav_1m/udav_1m.shtml

    While "Запад" — ракетный is known as РПК-8 «Запад»

    http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=7685.0

    Not exactly new systems... note the RPK-8 is the whole system designation that uses sonar and the RBU-6000 launcher and control systems...


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:26 pm

    What is the luncher on the carrier they sold to India ? In one vdeo they show it working. It's a small luncher with 2 tubes. At first I thought it was decoys but in the video it uses ammunitions which seems to be big bullets.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  hoom on Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:19 pm

    If it looked like this it's DP-64 anti-diver grenade launcher

    Edit: Probably this

    Which is apparently a ZiF-121 decoy launcher http://www.aame.in/2013/07/ins-vikramaditya-testing-its-zif-121.html
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:37 pm

    hoom wrote:If it looked like this it's DP-64 anti-diver grenade launcher

    Edit: Probably this

    Which is apparently a ZiF-121 decoy launcher http://www.aame.in/2013/07/ins-vikramaditya-testing-its-zif-121.html

    ПК-2 Decoy launcher

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  nastle77 on Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:06 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Could they be carried by any sub with 65 cm tubes?

    I would expect that would be the purpose of fitting 65cm tubes on a sub... to allow the use of such torpedoes and weapons...

    Obviously you need a bigger sub to carry such tubes/weapons, but then the role of larger vessel would be to operate further from shore where enemy subs and carrier groups are more likely to be encountered...
    Right so the standard ASUW torpedo of soviet subs during the cold war was the type 53 65 ?
    It was wake homing? And it's effective range was 10 miles?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Benya on Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:25 pm

    Russia developing Khishchnik high-speed torpedo to replace VA-111 Shkval supercavitating torpedo

    The Elektropribor Design Bureau in Saratov is developing a high-speed torpedo dubbed Khishchnik (Russian for ‘raptor’) and designed to replace the Shkval, expert Vladimir Tuchkov writes in an article with the Svobodnaya Pressa online news agency. The blog of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) has reported that Elektropribor is soon to complete the development of a sophisticated high-speed torpedo. The weapon is designed for replacing the famous Shkval capable of accelerating to 200 knots under water. CAST learnt about that when Elektropribor applied for participating in the 2015 Aircraft Maker of the Year Competition held by the Union of Aviation Industrialists of Russia (UAIR).


    Artist Impression: A Shkval torpedo is launched from a submarine

    Two applications have been submitted, with one of them dedicated to "the execution of the state defense order for developing components of advanced underwater vehicles." The application continues: "Since 2013, the company has been developing and manufacturing prototypes and testing a component of the underwater missile embodying advanced boundary layer control principles."

    The weapon in question is the Khishchnik, of which very little is known due to the program being very hush-hush.

    The torpedo is under development by the company developing components for military planes, and the weapon has been submitted for the competition to be held by UAIR. The thing is, the type of weapons is called rocket-assisted torpedo, and Elektropribor is developing electrical units for its rocket motor and the control systems.

    The NII-24 Research Institute (now the Region State Research and Production Company, a subsidiary of Tactical Missiles Corp.) kicked off Shkval’s development in 1960. The requirements specification called for a torpedo with a cruising speed of 200 knots and a range of 20 km for launch via the standard 533-mm torpedo tube.


    Shkval nose cone

    The first prototype was made as soon as 1964. The same year, it launched its tests at Lake Issyk-Kul followed by tests in the Black Sea near the city of Feodosiya. The tests failed. The designers developed one model after another that kept on failing to meet the stringent requirements specification. It is the sixth prototype that passed the tests and was cleared for full-rate production. The torpedo entered the Soviet Navy’s inventory in 1977.

    Its high speed resulted from cavitation. Research into this field was started by a TsAGI affiliate in the Soviet Union in the late ‘40s. In the late ‘50s, the scientists came up with a harmonious theory of cavitation movement and issued recommendations for applying its principles to high-speed underwater vehicle development. Cavitation boils down to an object (a torpedo in this case) moving inside an air bubble, overcoming the drag caused by the air, rather than by water. A combined-cycle gas turbine unit in the nose section creates the air bubble enveloping the torpedo.

    The weapon is propelled by a jet from its solid-propellant rocket motor, rather than by a screw or a waterjet. The Shkval’s power plant is two-stage. First, the solid-propellant motor accelerates the torpedo to the cavitation speed. Then, the sustainer - an underwater ramjet - kicks in.


    Shkval rear, showing the guidance fins and the electronics connector

    The development of the underwater ramjet proved to be as difficult as that of the cavitation generator. It is radically different to the ones used in planes and rockets. It uses seawater as actuating medium and oxidizer, while hydroreactive metals are its fuel.

    The speed requirement was met, but the range proved to be a mere 13 km. The torpedo’s launch depth was 30 m, and the weapon dashed to its target at 6 m below the surface. Initially, its warhead was nuclear and had a yield of 150 kilotons. The torpedo weighed 2,700 kg and measured 8,200 mm long.

    While having a huge speed, the torpedo lacked a seeker. There were two reasons for that. First, maneuvering worth mentioning is impossible at such a speed, because the air bubble will disintegrate. Second, the torpedo is very noisy and it vibrates, which will make the seeker hear nothing but the motor.

    Naturally, the heading of the enemy ship subject to sinking as well as its speed and other factors is taken into consideration prior to the Shkval’s launch, i.e. a lead is allowed for, but it is short, because the Shkval covers 13 km inside 130 s - a bit more than 2 min. The torpedo’s baseline model carried a 150-kt nuclear warhead. It was replaced with a high-explosive one weighing about 250 kg, when the time came to slash the nuclear stockpiles. However, the launch of the torpedo exposed the submarine, for the Shkval’s wake gave its position away lock, stock and barrel. The torpedo’s short range was fraught with another problem: to attack an aircraft carrier or other major combatant, the submarine had to enter its antisubmarine coverage area, which reduced its own chances for survival. In other words, although the designers produced high technical characteristics, the weapon proved to be of little use in practical terms. The Shkval was removed from the inventory.

    Designers in two more countries echoed the ideas embodied in the Shkval. In 2005, Germany announced the development of the Barracuda supercavitating torpedo with a speed of 400 km/h, and, two years ago, the Iranian chief of naval operations mentioned a torpedo travelling at 320 km/h. However, these are not weapons ready for combat, rather prototypes undergoing the trials.

    The Khishchnik is not a version of the Shkval. Serious money has been set aside for its development. The two contractors alone - Elektropribor and the SEPO-ZEM plant in Saratov - co-pursuing the Khishchnik-M program have received more than 1.5 billion rubles ($25 million).

    Therefore, it is possible that the torpedo will have a seeker and be able to maneuver and its range and stealth will increase, expert Vladimir Tuchkov writes in the article on the Svobodnaya Pressa news website.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Benya on Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:57 pm

    A-222E Bereg-E and Bal-E Modern Coastal Defense Systems from Russia

    The coastal defense is one of the major tasks placed before armed forces of world`s littoral states. Therefore, the security of green waters is a pivotal issue, and reliable, and combat-effective systems are required to fulfill it. Russia`s Rosoboronexport company (a subsidiary of the Rostec state corporation) offers modern coastal defense weapons such as the A-222E Bereg-E mobile coastal artillery system and the Bal-E coastal defense missile system.


    A-222E Bereg-E mobile coastal artillery system

    The A-222E Bereg-E mobile coastal artillery system is intended to destroy and suppress enemy`s sea and coast-based assets and to provide protection against attacks of surface combatants. The system can effectively engage sea and ground targets moving at high speeds. Bereg-E is comprised of a central post with a fire control system, six self-propelled guns, and one or two combat duty support vehicles. The central post is intended for controlling of battery firing. The fire control system features a radar, a TV/optical station with a laser rangefinder, sights, a digital computer, and other electronical subsystems. It can operate even in an electronic countermeasures environment. The self-propelled guns are equipped with optical/mechanical sights, ballistic computers, and laser rangefinders. They can deliver fire by remote commands from the central post or in the self-contained mode, using the aforementioned pieces of equipment. The guns are loaded semi-automatically with complete rounds. They can fire high-explosive and anti-aircraft projectiles. The combat support vehicles provide power supply and rooms for the crews` rest, messing, and medical treatment. The components of Bereg-E are mounted on MAZ-543M 8x8 wheeled all-terrain trucks.


    A-222E Bereg-E mobile coastal artillery system

    According to the specifications of the Bereg-E mobile coastal artillery system in the official catalogue of the Rosoboronexport company, it has a caliber of 130 mm, an effective firing range of 20 km, a moving sea target engagement time of 1-2 minutes (with a kill probability of 0.8 ), a number of targets engaged in the simultaneous mode of 1-2 (with any gun combination), and a firing rate of 12-14 rounds per minute.


    BAL-E Coastal Missile System at IMDS 2013

    The Bal-E coastal defense missile system is designed to control territorial waters, to protect components of naval infrastructure, to defend shore areas, and to protect maritime communication lines. It can detect, track, distribute, and engage surface targets with anti-ship cruise missiles. In the basic configuration, the Bal-E system includes up to two command-and-control vehicles, up to four self-propelled launchers, up to four transporter-loaders, and a communications vehicle. Bal-E can be configured in accordance with a customer`s request. The system can boast a high level of combat efficiency. It features a short deployment and combat readiness time, as well as high mobility and reliability. According to the specifications, the Bal-E coastal defense missile system has a maximum firing range of up to 120 km and an into-action time of less than 10 minutes. Each self-propelled launcher is armed with eight missiles. The components of the Bal-E system are mounted on all-terrain wheeled vehicles.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:47 am

    Completed field tests of the modernized naval artillery installation AK-176MA



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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:07 pm

    Russian Navy to Receive New Deep-Water Torpedo in 2018

    The new Russian torpedo will reportedly be able to reach speed more than 60 knots and hit targets at a range of over 35 miles.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The tests of Russia's advanced deep-water homing torpedo named Futlyar (Fizik-2) will wrap up this year and the Russian Navy will introduce it into service in 2018, a defense industry source told Sputnik on Friday.

    "The tests of the newest Futlyar torpedo — an improved Fizik — are being carried out successfully. They are planned to be completed by the end of 2017. The Russian Navy will put it into service in 2018," the source said.


    The source added that Futlyar torpedoes had improved systems of homing, remote control and its effective distance had also been increased if to compare with Fizik torpedoes.

    According to the publicly available sources, Futlyar would be capable to reach speed more than 60 knots and depth of more than 540 yards and would be able to hit targets at a range of over 35 miles.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201703101051435733-russian-navy-futlyar-fozok-torpedo/


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:32 am

    OK so it is about a navy weapon so I understand knots... but WTF are they talking about yards and miles for... this is the 21st C not the fkin dark ages...

    According to the publicly available sources, Futlyar would be capable to reach speed more than 60 knots and depth of more than 540 yards and would be able to hit targets at a range of over 35 miles.

    Why don't they tell us how many Arshins in 540 yards...


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    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:42 pm

    https://defenceaviationpost.com/maiden-test-brahmos-extended-version-today/

    New version of Brahmos tested with a range of 450 km.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Benya on Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:12 pm

    Arsenal Machine Building Plant to deliver 22 AK-176MA Naval Gun Systems to Russian Navy

    A total of 22 upgraded AK-176MA guns designed for the advanced Project 22160 patrol ship and Project 22800 corvette will be delivered to Russia’s Navy before 2020, the press office of Russia’s Arsenal Machine-Building Plant said.


    The AK-176MA naval gun system prototype. Picture by JSC "Arsenal Machine-Building Plant". (via flotprom.ru)

    "Before 2020, the Arsenal Machine-Engineering Plant is expected to deliver 22 upgraded AK-176MA Mod. 01 guns to the Navy," the press office said.

    "The first upgraded gun has been dispatched to the Zelenodolsk Shipyard [in the Volga area] to be mounted on the Project 22160 lead ship Vasil Bykov,"
    the press office added.

    The plant developed the upgraded version of the gun on its own initiative. The upgraded gun has completed field tests.

    "All requirements indicated by the Navy in the tactical specifications have been met. The AK-176MA gun’s laying accuracy and grouping of shots have more than doubled, the laying speed has been increased considerably and the weight has been decreased to less than nine tons," the press office said.

    The advanced AK-176MA gun is designed for littoral ships and is expected to be mounted on the Project 22160, 22800, 12418 and 23550 vessels.

    It can be also used to replace obsolete artillery systems of ships built earlier.

    "Russia’s Navy has received the advanced 76.2mm shipborne gun comparable with foreign-made analogs and superior to them by some characteristics," the press office added.

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    It can be also used to replace obsolete artillery systems of ships built earlier.

    Well, AFAIK there are a multitude of Russian Navy ships currently in service that are using AK-176/AK-176M guns (most corvettes and some Ropucha-class landing ships), but I think that rearming them with this new AK-176MA would be only practical if they would be kept in service for at least 10-15 years, but that is highly unlikely.

    New guns/weapon systems should only be equipped on newer ships in my opinion.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:50 pm


    ...
    The advanced AK-176MA gun is designed for littoral ships and is expected to be mounted on the Project 22160, 22800, 12418 and 23550 vessels. ...

    OK so we have:

    2x 12418 (those 2 with Uran missiles they are finishing)

    2x 23550

    6x 22160

    That leaves 12 for 22800 so we can hope to see 12 Karakurts laid down until 2020. Just my guesstimate...
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:28 am

    The new guns are more accurate, can be aimed faster, and the gun mount itself is much lighter...

    At 9 tons, the new gun is 7.5 tons lighter than the older model which weighs about 16.5 tons... that is almost half the weight... a difference that would allow rather more ammo to be carried...

    It would make sense to upgrade existing vessels with this new gun... and new gun control sensors to make it more effective too.

    They have developed guided 57mm shells so guided 76.2mm shells should be fairly easy to make too. that would allow greater engagement ranges against point targets like Anti ship missiles and other threats.

    If some ragheads try to use a boat laden with explosives to attack a Russian ship there is nothing like a 76.2mm shell smacking them with twice the mass of a 57mm shell. (76.2mm shells have 6kg projectiles, while the 57mm rounds are 2.8kg projectiles...)


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:The new guns are more accurate, can be aimed faster, and the gun mount itself is much lighter...

    At 9 tons, the new gun is 7.5 tons lighter than the older model which weighs about 16.5 tons... that is almost half the weight... a difference that would allow rather more ammo to be carried...

    It would make sense to upgrade existing vessels with this new gun... and new gun control sensors to make it more effective too........

    Honestly, given the speed that Karakurts are going into production, I would bet all those vessels that might need these new 76mm guns will be retired and replaced by then.

    Pretty soon all missile boats of the Fleet will be replaced with Karakurts. They already have 2 shipyards beavering away at them at full speed. Should they add third into the mix we could see plenty of light ships going into early retirement.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The new guns are more accurate, can be aimed faster, and the gun mount itself is much lighter...

    At 9 tons, the new gun is 7.5 tons lighter than the older model which weighs about 16.5 tons... that is almost half the weight... a difference that would allow rather more ammo to be carried...

    It would make sense to upgrade existing vessels with this new gun... and new gun control sensors to make it more effective too........

    Honestly, given the speed that Karakurts are going into production, I would bet all those vessels that might need these new 76mm guns will be retired and replaced by then.

    Pretty soon all missile boats of the Fleet will be replaced with Karakurts. They already have 2 shipyards beavering away at them at full speed. Should they add third into the mix we could see plenty of light ships going into early retirement.

    Or they can do like Israeli and put on some of them Tor missiles instead of the big gun. Saar 5 doesn't have gun, just Phalanx and barak missiles. A new luncher for naval Tor can carry much more than the version on Udaloy which are very well protected but takes lot of space. Moreover, they are planning to buid them in great numbers so buikding one with gun and one without gun can do the job, so that both of them protect the other with its own systems. The guns for naval threaths and the tor against missiles and helicopters.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:17 pm

    Isos wrote:.....

    Or they can do like Israeli and put on some of them Tor missiles instead of the big gun. Saar 5 doesn't have gun, just Phalanx and barak missiles. A new luncher for naval Tor can carry much more than the version on Udaloy which are very well protected but takes lot of space. Moreover, they are planning to buid them in great numbers so buikding one with gun and one without gun can do the job, so that both of them protect the other with its own systems. The guns for naval threaths and the tor against missiles and helicopters.

    Not a bad idea, they would get some good AA coverage on the cheap. Karakurts and Buyans are bit light on AA segment.

    In fact, replacing guns with AA missiles and old AShM with Urans on those Soviet era boats would be very quick and cost effective option. Small ships like those don't really need guns since these days they will be used as support for other vessels anyway.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Benya on Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:34 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    OK so we have:

    2x 12418 (those 2 with Uran missiles they are finishing)

    2x 23550

    6x 22160

    That leaves 12 for 22800 so we can hope to see 12 Karakurts laid down until 2020. Just my guesstimate...

    Good estimate thumbsup It totally makes sense.

    GarryB wrote:The new guns are more accurate, can be aimed faster, and the gun mount itself is much lighter...

    At 9 tons, the new gun is 7.5 tons lighter than the older model which weighs about 16.5 tons... that is almost half the weight... a difference that would allow rather more ammo to be carried...

    Clear for me. Since it's lighter, it can be mounted on lighter vessels.

    GarryB wrote:It would make sense to upgrade existing vessels with this new gun... and new gun control sensors to make it more effective too.

    ... but not ships like Molniya/Tarantul-class corvettes and older Ropucha-class landing ships, which are/will be nearing decommissioning.

    GarryB wrote:If some ragheads try to use a boat laden with explosives to attack a Russian ship there is nothing like a 76.2mm shell smacking them with twice the mass of a 57mm shell. (76.2mm shells have 6kg projectiles, while the 57mm rounds are 2.8kg projectiles...)

    Well, a quick-firing 57mm gun like the Mk 110 made by BAE Systems, with airburst ammo would do the job quite good as well, a 76mm would be quite an overkill against a small motorboat.

    PapaDragon wrote:Honestly, given the speed that Karakurts are going into production, I would bet all those vessels that might need these new 76mm guns will be retired and replaced by then.

    Pretty soon all missile boats of the Fleet will be replaced with Karakurts. They already have 2 shipyards beavering away at them at full speed. Should they add third into the mix we could see plenty of light ships going into early retirement.

    Maybe my estimate is a litlle bit far-fetched, but I think that if 3 shipyards would start spewing out Karakurts, at least 18-24 of them would be made for 2020-2024, and of course, they could (and hopefully will) build more, since there are plenty of Tarantul and Grisha corvettes to replace.

    Isos wrote:Or they can do like Israeli and put on some of them Tor missiles instead of the big gun. Saar 5 doesn't have gun, just Phalanx and barak missiles. A new luncher for naval Tor can carry much more than the version on Udaloy which are very well protected but takes lot of space. Moreover, they are planning to buid them in great numbers so buikding one with gun and one without gun can do the job, so that both of them protect the other with its own systems. The guns for naval threaths and the tor against missiles and helicopters.

    PapaDragon wrote:Not a bad idea, they would get some good AA coverage on the cheap. Karakurts and Buyans are bit light on AA segment.

    In fact, replacing guns with AA missiles and old AShM with Urans on those Soviet era boats would be very quick and cost effective option. Small ships like those don't really need guns since these days they will be used as support for other vessels anyway.

    In my opinion, an AK-630M2 "Duet" (which Buyan-M corvettes already have), and a naval version of the Tor SAM system (not the "Kinzhal" one) would be enough for Karakurts and Buyans, "Palash"/"Palma" are better for larger ships (frigates/destroyers/cruisers).
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:54 am

    Honestly, given the speed that Karakurts are going into production, I would bet all those vessels that might need these new 76mm guns will be retired and replaced by then.

    Depends on how long they want to keep their older vessels in service for... there is still a gap with larger vessels anyway so keeping a few extra lighter vessels makes sense.

    These new corvettes can perform many missions previously performed by Frigates or larger vessels so the new corvettes can supplement the older larger vessels while the older corvettes continue the work they are doing for a bit longer.

    Or they can do like Israeli and put on some of them Tor missiles instead of the big gun.

    Would prefer them to put both big guns and missiles on their ships. The whole focus is standardisation, so arming some with missiles and some with guns defeats the purpose of standardisation.

    Newer missiles are much more capable than older models so not having ten times more missiles is not as bad as it appears.

    In fact, replacing guns with AA missiles and old AShM with Urans on those Soviet era boats would be very quick and cost effective option. Small ships like those don't really need guns since these days they will be used as support for other vessels anyway.

    Combat experience seems to suggest that having more guns is better and not worse. After the Falklands war Soviet vessels were noted to have a lot more HMG positions around the super structure and bridges... I doubt taking away medium and heavy guns is a good idea.

    Just like I think it is important to keep a 30mm cannon on the PAK FA, Su-35, and MiG-35.

    Clear for me. Since it's lighter, it can be mounted on lighter vessels.

    The Soviets/Russians already fitted light vessels with heavy guns... the Pauk class for example would probably have had a 57mm gun if it was a western development.

    The new gun mounts means they can fit 100mm guns in ships that previously carried 76.2mm guns already.

    ... but not ships like Molniya/Tarantul-class corvettes and older Ropucha-class landing ships, which are/will be nearing decommissioning.

    For ships serving 5-10 or more years it makes sense... for ships about to be scrapped of course it makes no sense.

    Well, a quick-firing 57mm gun like the Mk 110 made by BAE Systems, with airburst ammo would do the job quite good as well, a 76mm would be quite an overkill against a small motorboat.

    Anything too small to be engaged by a 76.2mm gun can be engaged with 30mm or small arms fire.

    since there are plenty of Tarantul and Grisha corvettes to replace.

    They likely wont replace old models one for one...

    In my opinion, an AK-630M2 "Duet" (which Buyan-M corvettes already have), and a naval version of the Tor SAM system (not the "Kinzhal" one) would be enough for Karakurts and Buyans,

    I agree, but I think a medium calibre gun is more useful than just adding more missiles. The latest model of the TOR system is rather capable...


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:43 pm

    "Due to the untimely performance by the Almaz Antei concern of development work on the Redut and Shtil elements, the delivery terms of the 22350 Admiral Gorshkov and 11356 Admiral Makarov ships are in jeopardy," said Borisov, Speaking within the framework of the United Day of Acceptance of Military Equipment, the meeting of which was broadcast by the Rossiya 24 (VGTRK) channel.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:32 pm

    George1 wrote:
    "Due to the untimely performance by the Almaz Antei concern of development work on the Redut and Shtil elements, the delivery terms of the 22350 Admiral Gorshkov and 11356 Admiral Makarov ships are in jeopardy," said Borisov, Speaking within the framework of the United Day of Acceptance of Military Equipment, the meeting of which was broadcast by the Rossiya 24 (VGTRK) channel.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2508759.html

    So neither Redut nor Shtil work?

    Even after all this time?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    "Due to the untimely performance by the Almaz Antei concern of development work on the Redut and Shtil elements, the delivery terms of the 22350 Admiral Gorshkov and 11356 Admiral Makarov ships are in jeopardy," said Borisov, Speaking within the framework of the United Day of Acceptance of Military Equipment, the meeting of which was broadcast by the Rossiya 24 (VGTRK) channel.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2508759.html

    So neither Redut nor Shtil work?

    Even after all this time?

    Sound like Borisov is reminding Almaz-Antey that this isn't the U.S and they're not General Dynamics nor Lockheed Martin.

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