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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Azi on Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:14 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Not sure why anyone would want such a weapon?  Why does the USN think it needs to disable speed boats without sinking them?  Surely if the target is hostile, efficiently turning it into scrap metal resting on the seabed is the desired outcome?

    As for "precision", you are partly correct that lasers are precise, but only from the point of view that they will go where their targeting optics direct them.  The thing to consider is that no targeting system requiring the ultra-accurate positioning of a mirror (within fractions of seconds of arc - see below*) will ever be 100% accurate, and movements of vessel and calibration drift will invariably introduce error.  Rapid-fire projectile weapons will have a spread that allows chance for a hit even if targeting is sub-optimal, but a laser cannot do this. Beam dispersion at distance isn't an effective equivalent as it results in reduced beam power density on the target.
    Other question...why not? lol!

    Ok, ok...I would simply destroy a hostile speed boat! Why talking to them if they try to kill you?

    With second passage you are right! And there is nothing more to write about it! Targeting optic is A and O.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:30 am

    Azi wrote:I wrote not that Laser Systems are complete bullshit! They will have maybe their time, when capacitors becomes smaller and much more effective!? So in future it's possible that Laser Systems are small and light, better than carrying tons of ammo. We speak here about 50 or 100 years. But today there is nothing more effective than pure kinetic power!

    The Laser System on US Navy ships is a bit show of force and show of technological superiority. I see nothing more, because if bad weather disables your defense system...the system is simply not for war! A good mature system MUST work under all conditions...bad weather, burning ship, EMP and whatever.

    But on other side it's not bad that US Navy test the systems to receive more information for future systems. A system can't be mature if it's not tested under real conditions outside. In Laser Weapons USA is leading at moment.

    I second that.   IMHO this is like Technology readiness levels (TRL)  7 and they try to test-modify-prove more as tech demonstrator than product.  As for guns to I am pretty confident that missiles and artillery, inclusive 76mm will be pretty effective in foreseeable future.  120 rounds per second and hundreds of tungsten balls in each creates simply a wall of tungsten where even maneuvering missile has to be hit.  The faster it flies the harder it gets...


    As for lasers - since you cannot modify physical property of laser beam then other way is to increase energy right? with particle rays you can transmit more energy than with ligh tif I am correct.


    Azi wrote:

    The funny thing...Russia is also going for "Buck Rogers" stuff, like rrob called it. But the concept is different. The systems work in microwave and radar spectra and are intended to damage sensors with huge amount of energy. This is similar to normal jamming, but with much more and directed energy. It's possible to have a short circuit like an EMP on target hardware. One example and not the most sophisticated is Krasukha-4. Russia tries to minimize the system and to maximize the output, so that the systems can be carried by aircraft. It's still a long way to reduce the size of systems, but the pace is good. In EW equiptment Russia is leading. In some way it's similar to US laser technology, microwave lasers are called masers by the way Very Happy Sounds really sexy for future Wink

    Like you heard very recent gen Bondaryev interview Smile





    rrob wrote:Appreciate the intelligent and to the point replies and well thought of and expressed opinions. Also the lack of sarcasm and namecalling, thanks to all.  We learn as we go. Sure seems like a long way to go to put an expensive laser system on a carrier when a couple of cheap 40 mm bofors or a few penguins or harpoons would obliterate any speedboat for a lot less trouble.

    As above mentioned. Technology must mature first. Besides propaganda dimension is also important. We are most advanced and invulnerable. For a nation run by warmongers with brain tumors where some folks still believe in Marvel heroes there must be some showcases. Even if no Samule L. Jackson is on this ship Smile

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  rrob on Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:34 am

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:07 pm

    rrob wrote:Yea, yea, all Americans are warmongers, selfish, conniving always stealing filthy pigs, etc. yada yada.  Tell me, any B52s buzz your west coast neighborhood lately? Lots of nuclear fallout where you live?  Perhaps you would not hate the US so much if you lived here in highly desired tropical paradise and had a fabulous 7 figure home sitting of 5 private acres with 8 figure assets all your children professionals with 6 and 7 figure incomes, a 51-foot fishing boat parked in a private slip in Kona 6 cars, jet skis, atvs, 4 horses travel where and when for as long as you want etc. etc. you might be singing God bless America too! Just how you look at things from where you standing I guess.
    Aloha No

    Most of americans are poor actually and those who are not poor will spend most of their live pay their universities because they invest billions in stupid american football. No other contry wants your system. Those who have adopted your system where those who you invaded ...

    And no one is believing in the American dream anymore hahahaha you can keep your boats and your villas, we will keep our dignity.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  rrob on Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:25 pm

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:48 pm

    ABs going strong, year after year.

    GD BIW gets funding for two more Arleigh Burke destroyers



    SEPTEMBER 29, 2017 —The U.S. Navy has awarded General Dynamics Bath Iron Works funding for the planning and construction of two Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, DDG 126 and DDG 127. The contract modification fully funds the two ships.Fiscal 2016 shipbuilding and conversion (Navy); and fiscal 2017 shipbuilding and conversion (Navy) funding will be obligated at time of award and will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year.

    DDG 126 was awarded under the contract that was part of a multi-year competition for DDG 51-class destroyers in 2013. DDG 127 was approved by Congress under separate legislation.

    Dirk Lesko, president of Bath Iron Works, said: "These contracts help to stabilize our business and are welcome news. We are grateful to Maine's congressional delegation and Navy Secretary Spencer for their efforts and leadership."

    The contract modification includes funding for the Flight III upgrades on DDG 126.

    Flight III will incorporate the SPY-6 Air and Missile Defense Radar (AMDR) and upgrade the electrical power and cooling capacity plus additional associated changes.

    As the Navy expects to release a competitive solicitation for additional DDG 51 class ships in the Flight III configuration in future years, the contract award amount is considered source selection sensitive information and will not be made public at this time.

    There are currently four DDG 51 destroyers in production at the Bath Iron Works shipyard: Thomas Hudner (DDG 116), Daniel Inouye (DDG 118), Carl M. Levin (DDG 120) and John Basilone (DDG 122).

    The Navy has named DDG 126 the Louis H. Wilson, Jr., after the 26th Commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, who was a World War II recipient of the Medal of Honor for his actions during the Battle of Guam.

    The Arleigh Burke-class destroyer is a multi-mission combatant that offers defense against a wide range of threats. It operates in support of carrier battle groups, surface action groups, amphibious groups and replenishment groups, providing a complete array of anti-submarine, anti-air and anti-surface capabilities.

    http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=27266:gd-biw-awarded-funding-for-two-more-arleigh-burke-destroyers&Itemid=257
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:54 am


    Off Topic

    First of all I am no Russian. I am Polish or Polack as you like say in us right?



    rrob wrote:Yea, yea, all Americans are warmongers, selfish, conniving always stealing filthy pigs, etc. yada yada.

    Did I say all? did I say filthy ? where? any facts mate or CNN style accusations?

    McCain has brain tumor and is a warmonger Y/N?
    There are morons who actually believe US is exceptional and has the right to dictate other its will. Y/N? (BTW I wonder how many of them believe in Superman and Batman Smile
    US is spending borrowed money on monstrous military colonial force? Y/N
    NSA/CIA/FBI is spying on citizens on the whole world Y/N? (and official propaganda says about rule of law right? cbwahahaha)



    rrob wrote:
    Tell me, any B52s buzz your west coast neighborhood lately? Lots of nuclear fallout where you live?  


    Fortunately I was living under "Russian occupation" and neither US mercenaries nor blackops killers or soldiers did not have a chance to burn villages with napalm or chemicals like in Vietnam. No white phosphorus or concentration camps like in Iraq. Also no nukes like they did in Japan. No thanks. Also not burning over 100,000 civilians bombing Dresden. Aloha


    Did I forget something? Ah B-52 were lately over Baltic. Luckily they did not kill anybody. Yet.





    rrob wrote:
    Perhaps you would not hate the US so much if you lived here in highly desired tropical paradise

    Why should I move where ass sweats and mosquitoes bite? What a Face What a Face What a Face



    rrob wrote:
    and had a fabulous 7 figure home sitting of 5 private acres with 8 figure assets all your children professionals with 6 and 7 figure incomes, a 51-foot fishing boat parked in a private slip in Kona, 6 cars, a truck, jet skis, atvs, 4 horses, travel where and when for as long as you want etc. etc. you might be singing God bless America too!


    I do not hate america. Stating facts is not hate. 47 mlns on food stamps so I guess not everybody has a 7 figure home , when did you visit suburbs of Detroit or New Orlean? :-)


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:41 am

    Perhaps you would not hate the US so much if you lived here in highly desired tropical paradise and had a fabulous 7 figure home sitting of 5 private acres with 8 figure assets all your children professionals with 6 and 7 figure incomes, a 51-foot fishing boat parked in a private slip in Kona, 6 cars, a truck, jet skis, atvs, 4 horses, travel where and when for as long as you want etc. etc. you might be singing God bless America too!

    For all the money the US has been spending on killing people around the world perhaps I might respect them a bit more if they spent a fraction on fixing things instead of breaking them.

    Glad you are living the American dream, but not everyone gets that... perhaps you have shares in Boeing?

    The US has great wealth and great power, yet it seems to continue to use its wealth and power to protect its wealth and power and to prevent growth and prosperity in other places. It seems America thinks it can't be rich and powerful if someone else is too.

    Just how you look at things from where you standing I guess. Please excuse the rant, but every post I seem to opine in, it always comes back to the stinkin dirty rotten American's fault and it is getting old fast.

    Of course... super power America is a force for good and never does anything bad. It is powerful because it is good and good because it is powerful.

    Must be nice to speak for everyone else in the world. I can't even speak for my whole family. But I'm betting many would gladly jump ship for the good life for them and their families. Also, 8 figure assets won't even break the top 10% here, and you would truly be surprised at how wealthy a lot of Americans really are. Lots of poor people in America too, but not so much here in Hawaii. But by all means, no one said to give up your dignity, or your way of life, enjoy, laughter is good for the spirit!
    P.S.there are no villas here or mansions, we just call them nice homes, does not seem to matter.
    Best wishes

    Reminds me of a book I read written by a Soviet conscript during WWII. His unit was one of the first that pushed into Poland and he was shocked to find that in the farms in Poland they had paved runs for the cows so they didn't have to walk in the mud. His kitchen floor was a dirt floor in the village he came from in Russia. His only thought at the time was that these people have such luxury and wealth and they came to steal from us?

    You talk of comfort... ask yourself whose blood paid for it...

    Most of it these days seems to be on credit but eventually the scissors come out and the bills have to be paid.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  rrob on Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:57 am

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  nastle77 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:36 am

    http://pvo.guns.ru/naval/m11.htm

    I'm not a russian speaker please need help with this article

    my main question is , was the M-11 Shtorm SAM actually a dual role weapon ? can be used in ASUW role as well ?

    thanks
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:45 am

    nastle77 wrote:http://pvo.guns.ru/naval/m11.htm

    I'm not a russian speaker please need help with this article

    my main question is , was the M-11 Shtorm SAM actually a dual role weapon ? can be used in ASUW role as well ?

    thanks

    The universal shipborne complex M-11 was developed in accordance with the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of Ukraine No. 846-382 of July 25, 1959. The head of the system as a whole was NII-10 GKRE, chief designer GN Volgin. The TsKB-34, the TsNII-173 guidance drives, the NII-48 radio exploders, the NII-6 warhead, the NII-125 engine charges, etc., were engaged in launchers.

    Initially, the M-11 complex with the CM-102 launcher was intended for ships of Prospect 1126. But the works on Prospect 1126 were terminated by Resolution No. 565-236 of 21.06.1961, in connection with which work was stopped on the M complex -eleven. But in a short time - on 27.07.1961 the Resolution of the Council of Ministers No. 846-382 issued on the continuation of work on the M-11, but already for the ship pr. 1123.

    NII-10 in April 1962 completed the outline design of the M-11 missile complex and handed it over to the customer. In the process of developing a draft design, it was found out that it is impossible to build an SU M-11 on the basis of the M-1 complex because of the requirement of universality (over surface ships), doubling the range and noise immunity.

    In May 1962, after the completion of the preliminary design of the project, 0KB-2 fundamentally changed the aerodynamic scheme and dimensions of the V-611 rocket, which required the complete processing of the SM-136 PU, the control loop, etc.

    A new draft project was approved only in 1963.

    Fire control system "Thunder"

    The "Thunder" control system has two radar homing channels for one purpose, working to increase noise immunity in different wave bands and using a single-pulse directing method. At different frequencies, there are two radar channels for remote control of two missiles. This ensures that it is not possible to simultaneously suppress the two target and two missile channels with a single aiming and moving noise interference of high power.


    Antenna post of the "Thunder" system on the "Kerch" BCP in Sevastopol in 1985 ©️ Nelson Photo
    ZRK has an original design of the antenna control system post. The two lower latticed parabolic tracking antennas are mounted on the front surface of large box-shaped containers, in which the radioelectronic equipment of the target and missile channels is located. The two upper missile tracking antennas are installed on top of the containers, and between them is a horn antenna for transmitting commands. In the latest modifications, the horn antenna is replaced with a parabolic antenna and placed between the target antennas.

    Anti-aircraft guided missile 4K60


    Scheme of anti-aircraft missiles B-611 (4K60) ©️ A. Karpenko

    The anti-aircraft missile V-611 (4K60), developed at the CB "Fakel", is a single-stage, solid fuel. The maximum flight speed is 1200 m / s, the average flight speed in the affected area is 650-800 m / s. The starting mass of the rocket is 1844 kg. High-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing about 120 kg is equipped with a non-contact fuse. A missile miss is 40 m (that is, the maximum distance at which the target will be struck with the necessary probability.) Missiles are delivered to the ships in running order, ready for launch, and did not require checks during the entire period of storage on the ship. The ready-made pieces of high-strength steel are used in the combat part.

    Launcher


    Scheme of launcher of M-11 air defense system ©️ A. Karpenko

    Launcher of the M-11 air defense system on the aircraft carrying cruiser "Minsk"

    The PU with the storage, feeding and loading device was developed by the TsKB-34 MOS together with the Bolshevik plant, therefore the UE initially had CM indexes (TsKB-34), and then B (Bolshevik). Chief Designer TD Vilkost.

    The PU of the M-11 complex was produced in three versions.

    On the cruiser pr.1123 are installed two PU B-189 with a two-tier arrangement of storage, feeding and loading devices. On each level there are 4 drums with 6 rockets each.

    The device for storing, feeding and loading PU B-187 of ships pr.1134A is single-stage and is similar to the upper tier of the storage, feeding and loading device of the 1st variant.

    Large anti-submarine ships pr.1134B are equipped with two PU B-187A with single-stage arrangement of storage devices in conveyor design.

    Principle of combat work

    An aerial or surface target, taken along the lines of target designation, is continuously accompanied by a two-channel "Thunder" control system over the signals reflected from the target. According to the tracking data, the corners of the PU guidance and the coordinates of the foreseen point of the missile meeting with the target are generated. After launching each missile on the line of command transmissions, request pulses are transmitted to which the transponder of the on-board missile equipment provides the signals, which are followed by their continuous tracking and the development of instructions for the guidance of two missiles on one target.

    Testing

    Ship tests of the M-11 missile system were carried out on an experimental vessel OS-24, the former KR Voroshilov pr.26, reworked in 1961 in Prospect 33 for testing various types of missiles.

    Adoption

    In September-October 1967, two serial M-11 complexes were successfully delivered to the head anti-submarine cruiser Moskva, pr. 1123.

    Complex M-11 with a V-611 missile was adopted in 1969 and was named "Storm" . Later they were armed with ships of Prospect 1134A, 1134B and 1143.


    Training firing of M-11 air defense missile system with BCP "Kerch"
    By the end of the 1980s, the Shtorm was assigned the pseudonym Shkval . In the West, the complex received the designation SA-N-3 "Goblet" (Cup) .

    The complex was not supplied for export and did not participate in combat operations.

    Modernization

    In 1972, the complex underwent a modernization, the task of which was to reduce the lower boundary of the zone of destruction and ensure the possibility of firing at maneuvering targets and after-driving. After modernization, the complex was named "Storm-M" and in the same year was adopted for service.

    On ships pr.1134A and 1134B the control system "Grom-M" served not only the SAM, but also the anti-submarine complex "Metel".

    In 1980-1986 the complex underwent modernization for firing at low-altitude RCC. SAMs were called "Storm-N" , and the rocket - V-611M (4K65) .

    Information sources

    A.Shirokorad "Rockets over the sea", journal "Engineering and Weapons" №5, 1996

    Petrov AM, Aseev DA, Vasiliev EM, etc. "The Arms of the Russian Fleet of 1696-1996." SPb: Shipbuilding

    A.V. Karpenko "Russian Missile Weapons 1943-1993". St. Petersburg, "PIKA", 1993

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Orocairion on Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:00 pm

    rrob wrote:Yep, gotta love those sweaty tanned shapely asses just like last weekend when there were 4  in thong bikinis  on my boat especially while we were getting smashed on mai tais single malt scotch and eating great 2 inch thick BBQ Ribeye steaks and broiled Pacific spiny lobster in the still 80 degrees blue sky of November weather we have here before retiring after watching the sunset on the water for some indoor sports. .

    That must be why you feel the need to spend time in a random russian forum...totally living the life...


    Or just a load of BS, stuck in your mom's basement.

    I remember a guy like you, in an argentinean military forum. He would brag just like you, of how much money and girls he had, on how he was a decorated US military intelligence officer with a borderline James Bond life and would deride anyone who questioned him.

    Turns out, the guy got caught in the US with fake military credentials while running away after being accused of fraud in Florida

    https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/sanantonio/press-releases/2012/federal-jury-finds-argentinian-guilty-of-producing-false-u.s.-military-identification-documents

    Bet you are the exact same type of phoney jackass.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  nastle77 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:50 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    nastle77 wrote:http://pvo.guns.ru/naval/m11.htm

    I'm not a russian speaker please need help with this article

    my main question is , was the M-11 Shtorm SAM actually a dual role weapon ? can be used in ASUW role as well ?

    thanks

    The universal shipborne complex M-11 was developed in accordance with the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of Ukraine No. 846-382 of July 25, 1959. The head of the system as a whole was NII-10 GKRE, chief designer GN Volgin. The TsKB-34, the TsNII-173 guidance drives, the NII-48 radio exploders, the NII-6 warhead, the NII-125 engine charges, etc., were engaged in launchers.

    Initially, the M-11 complex with the CM-102 launcher was intended for ships of Prospect 1126. But the works on Prospect 1126 were terminated by Resolution No. 565-236 of 21.06.1961, in connection with which work was stopped on the M complex -eleven. But in a short time - on 27.07.1961 the Resolution of the Council of Ministers No. 846-382 issued on the continuation of work on the M-11, but already for the ship pr. 1123.

    NII-10 in April 1962 completed the outline design of the M-11 missile complex and handed it over to the customer. In the process of developing a draft design, it was found out that it is impossible to build an SU M-11 on the basis of the M-1 complex because of the requirement of universality (over surface ships), doubling the range and noise immunity.

    In May 1962, after the completion of the preliminary design of the project, 0KB-2 fundamentally changed the aerodynamic scheme and dimensions of the V-611 rocket, which required the complete processing of the SM-136 PU, the control loop, etc.

    A new draft project was approved only in 1963.

    Fire control system "Thunder"

    The "Thunder" control system has two radar homing channels for one purpose, working to increase noise immunity in different wave bands and using a single-pulse directing method. At different frequencies, there are two radar channels for remote control of two missiles. This ensures that it is not possible to simultaneously suppress the two target and two missile channels with a single aiming and moving noise interference of high power.


    Antenna post of the "Thunder" system on the "Kerch" BCP in Sevastopol in 1985 ©️ Nelson Photo
    ZRK has an original design of the antenna control system post. The two lower latticed parabolic tracking antennas are mounted on the front surface of large box-shaped containers, in which the radioelectronic equipment of the target and missile channels is located. The two upper missile tracking antennas are installed on top of the containers, and between them is a horn antenna for transmitting commands. In the latest modifications, the horn antenna is replaced with a parabolic antenna and placed between the target antennas.

    Anti-aircraft guided missile 4K60


    Scheme of anti-aircraft missiles B-611 (4K60) ©️ A. Karpenko

    The anti-aircraft missile V-611 (4K60), developed at the CB "Fakel", is a single-stage, solid fuel. The maximum flight speed is 1200 m / s, the average flight speed in the affected area is 650-800 m / s. The starting mass of the rocket is 1844 kg. High-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing about 120 kg is equipped with a non-contact fuse. A missile miss is 40 m (that is, the maximum distance at which the target will be struck with the necessary probability.) Missiles are delivered to the ships in running order, ready for launch, and did not require checks during the entire period of storage on the ship. The ready-made pieces of high-strength steel are used in the combat part.

    Launcher


    Scheme of launcher of M-11 air defense system ©️ A. Karpenko

    Launcher of the M-11 air defense system on the aircraft carrying cruiser "Minsk"

    The PU with the storage, feeding and loading device was developed by the TsKB-34 MOS together with the Bolshevik plant, therefore the UE initially had CM indexes (TsKB-34), and then B (Bolshevik). Chief Designer TD Vilkost.

    The PU of the M-11 complex was produced in three versions.

    On the cruiser pr.1123 are installed two PU B-189 with a two-tier arrangement of storage, feeding and loading devices. On each level there are 4 drums with 6 rockets each.

    The device for storing, feeding and loading PU B-187 of ships pr.1134A is single-stage and is similar to the upper tier of the storage, feeding and loading device of the 1st variant.

    Large anti-submarine ships pr.1134B are equipped with two PU B-187A with single-stage arrangement of storage devices in conveyor design.

    Principle of combat work

    An aerial or surface target, taken along the lines of target designation, is continuously accompanied by a two-channel "Thunder" control system over the signals reflected from the target. According to the tracking data, the corners of the PU guidance and the coordinates of the foreseen point of the missile meeting with the target are generated. After launching each missile on the line of command transmissions, request pulses are transmitted to which the transponder of the on-board missile equipment provides the signals, which are followed by their continuous tracking and the development of instructions for the guidance of two missiles on one target.


    Testing

    Ship tests of the M-11 missile system were carried out on an experimental vessel OS-24, the former KR Voroshilov pr.26, reworked in 1961 in Prospect 33 for testing various types of missiles.

    Adoption

    In September-October 1967, two serial M-11 complexes were successfully delivered to the head anti-submarine cruiser Moskva, pr. 1123.

    Complex M-11 with a V-611 missile was adopted in 1969 and was named "Storm" . Later they were armed with ships of Prospect 1134A, 1134B and 1143.


    Training firing of M-11 air defense missile system with BCP "Kerch"
    By the end of the 1980s, the Shtorm was assigned the pseudonym Shkval . In the West, the complex received the designation SA-N-3 "Goblet" (Cup) .

    The complex was not supplied for export and did not participate in combat operations.

    Modernization

    In 1972, the complex underwent a modernization, the task of which was to reduce the lower boundary of the zone of destruction and ensure the possibility of firing at maneuvering targets and after-driving. After modernization, the complex was named "Storm-M" and in the same year was adopted for service.

    On ships pr.1134A and 1134B the control system "Grom-M" served not only the SAM, but also the anti-submarine complex "Metel".

    In 1980-1986 the complex underwent modernization for firing at low-altitude RCC. SAMs were called "Storm-N" , and the rocket - V-611M (4K65) .

    Information sources

    A.Shirokorad "Rockets over the sea", journal "Engineering and Weapons" №5, 1996

    Petrov AM, Aseev DA, Vasiliev EM, etc. "The Arms of the Russian Fleet of 1696-1996." SPb: Shipbuilding

    A.V. Karpenko "Russian Missile Weapons 1943-1993". St. Petersburg, "PIKA", 1993

    Thank you I appreciate it, the google translation didnt work well for me
    so I guess it was a dual role weapon ! russia thumbsup
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:34 am

    rrob wrote: If it wasn't us, it would be China.  Just the way it is.

    Yup, but not would be but is happening  NOW. Cool, I am looking forward to this. China for thousands of years of their  civilization did not move physically beyond the Great Wall not to mention about  genocide and pillaging around the world.

    Oh where is superman when the one is needed now at least somebody from marvel to stop communist China  Twisted Evil

    I am off from sweety discussion mate and focus on military topics.  pirat


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:28 am


    That must be why you feel the need to spend time in a random russian forum...totally living the life...


    Or just a load of BS, stuck in your mom's basement.

    He is the ideal American drone... living the good life and does not give a fuck about other people within the system who are not doing as well as he is.

    Typical capitalist censored .

    I am OK so the system is perfect so no one else should criticise it...

    Glad you are happy, but your opinion is broadcast every day on CNN and Fox News, so you really have little to contribute that is new here except that everything in the US is perfect and I don't care what the facts are America is not to blame.

    America is the only hyper power.... nobody compares with her... so who else could be to blame?

    Whah whah Whah... I want to be in charge but I don't want to be held responsible either...

    If it wasn't us, it would be China. Just the way it is.

    Yeah... heard that one before too.... if we weren't in charge think how bad it would be with Russia or China or North Korea in charge...

    The amusing thing is that you think anyone should be in charge....
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:00 pm

    Not sure what to make of this...apparently Russia is working on quiet mini torpedoes that would imitate the movement of fish and turtles Surprised

    Russia's New Stealth Torpedoes Have a Neat Trick: They Can Pretend to Be Giant Fish
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-stealth-torpedoes-have-neat-trick-they-can-23333
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:29 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Not sure what to make of this...apparently Russia is working on quiet mini torpedoes that would imitate the movement of fish and turtles Surprised

    Russia's New Stealth Torpedoes Have a Neat Trick: They Can Pretend to Be Giant Fish
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-stealth-torpedoes-have-neat-trick-they-can-23333

    Status-6??
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:37 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Not sure what to make of this...apparently Russia is working on quiet mini torpedoes that would imitate the movement of fish and turtles Surprised

    Russia's New Stealth Torpedoes Have a Neat Trick: They Can Pretend to Be Giant Fish
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-stealth-torpedoes-have-neat-trick-they-can-23333

    Status-6??

    Status 6 is suppose to be huge....the article is about mini torpedoes
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:33 am

    When will the 48N6 be fully operational?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:31 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Not sure what to make of this...apparently Russia is working on quiet mini torpedoes that would imitate the movement of fish and turtles Surprised

    Russia's New Stealth Torpedoes Have a Neat Trick: They Can Pretend to Be Giant Fish
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-stealth-torpedoes-have-neat-trick-they-can-23333

    Status-6??

    Status 6 is suppose to be huge....the article is about mini torpedoes

    actually more like crawling mines instead of torpedoes. Status-6 is not only huge but alos very fast.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:22 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:When will the 48N6 be fully operational?

    Sorry I meant the 3M96, i.e the long range redut. What were teh problems with it?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:32 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:...actually more like crawling mines instead of torpedoes.

    Zagon-2 self-guided depth charge



    Description: The Zagon-2 is an anti-submarine (ASW), trajectory corrected using parachute, air bomb designed originally for release by the Russian Navy Ka-28 helicopters. The 120-kg bomb is intended to engage submarines on the sea surface, under periscope and deep down up to 600 meters utilizing an active sonar target location system and a motion control system with a maximum range of 450 meters horizontally. The Zagon-2 will be integrated onto Il-38 and Tu-142M maritime patrol aircraft and Mi-14 ASW helicopters which may carry up to eight bombs.

    http://www.deagel.com/Defensive-Weapons/Zagon-2_a003310001.aspx

    The original Zagon-1 from the 1990's

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:03 am

    Interesting that they have made mini ATGMs for the IFVs so that it can carry 4 big ATGMs (Kornet) but also a half dozen or more small guided missiles for closer ranges against less hard targets... now they are doing the same with torpedoes, and they are also doing the same with cruise missiles... an interesting trend.

    Wonder if they are planning mini AAMs like MANPADS but for modern fighters to hit small targets like UAVs that can be carried in large bundles per pylon to over come the problem of numbers of targets.

    The original Zagon-1 from the 1990's

    Also called S3V.

    Have read it has been supported by a special fuse that can be fitted to standard aerial bombs for use in shallow waters that enables the bomb to sit on the bottom and when a large metal object moves past the fuse will check the size of the target and if it matches what it is after it will detonate.

    Imagine a Tu-22M3 flys down an international shipping lane and drops 69 250kg bombs with such fuses....
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:35 pm

    ST. PETERSBURG, December 26. /TASS/. Russia’s latest seaborne Pantsyr-ME air defense missile/gun system will be tested on the land and at sea next year, Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau CEO Alexander Shlyakhtenko told TASS on Tuesday.
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    http://tass.com/defense/983159
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:12 am

    George1 wrote:
    ST. PETERSBURG, December 26. /TASS/. Russia’s latest seaborne Pantsyr-ME air defense missile/gun system will be tested on the land and at sea next year, Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau CEO Alexander Shlyakhtenko told TASS on Tuesday.
    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/983159

    Interesting tid bit from the link

    The seaborne version can be outfitted with missiles from the land-based variant and also with the promising Germes-K missile, which can be guided by a drone. The Pantsyr-ME is set to replace the Kortik system

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