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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:55 am

    Paket ASW system is RPK-9 Medvedka?

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    Paket ASW system is RPK-9 Medvedka?

    Post  Mindstorm on Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:32 pm


    George1 wrote:Paket ASW system is RPK-9 Medvedka?


    No George , it is practically the unique hard kill anti-torpedo defence system now operative worldwide, naturally it mantain also a close range anti-submarine/saboteur capability





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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Mindstorm on Sat May 12, 2012 10:32 am


    The new naval air defence search/tracking and engagement system Poliment-Redut should complete testing phase with launchs directly from ships by year's end.



    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120512/173404790.html


    On a side note the article name also the other work-in-progress of Almaz-Antey ,among which also the airborne laser system ,which the company say promising.



    Almaz Antei is also working on new radars and missiles for its future land-based S-500 air defense system, he said.

    Russia is continuing to develop its "promising" airborne defense laser program, Menshikov said.

    “The Americans have not managed to achieve the planned results [in their airborne laser projects], although the technology… is still being used in other developments,” he said.

    Similar research work is under way in Russia, and we consider it quite promising,” he said.





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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 13, 2012 5:21 am

    Excellent news... poliment/redut was part of what was slowing the new frigates and the new destroyers they are working on.

    Poliment is the new AESA radar and Redut is a Vityaz based SAM system that is supposed to include a short range (10km or 6 mile or some times 6km range) lock on after launch IIR guided missile based on the land based Morfei and the Air Force 9M100 short range AAM, plus the S-300 and S-400 SAMs including the 40km and 120km range smaller missiles.

    Of course the 40km and 120km range models are export range figures and the Russian models could be 60km and 150km range weapons for all we know. It will also include the 400km range full sized missile too no doubt... if not at first then eventually.

    This is an important step in unifying the air defence component of the Russian navy... the UKSK system unifying the cruise missile/anti ship/land attack component for ships and subs.

    Regarding the Airborne laser it should be pointed out that the success of the Russian system and the cancellation of the US system are not technical or financial but design fundamental issues.

    The US system was to have a Boeing 747 fitted with a laser to fly within 400km of enemy ICBM or ballistic missile launch sites to defeat BMs are they climb from their launchers. Obviously very difficult and expensive as it would require placing a large vulnerable asset near enemy airspace on a 24/7 basis to be effective.

    The Russian design on the other hand has different goals... that of dazzling US EO systems on satellites and other unmanned and manned platforms.

    To be useful in that role it is much easier... you can fly the large vulnerable aircraft over your own BM launch sites and dazzle the EOptics of US and other satellites as they pass overhead... 5-6 minutes max every 90 minutes or so to conceal ground activity or BM launches...

    In more conventional warfare such a system could be used to damage IIR guided weapons and IRST and nagivation/attack pods that use thermal and EO ports. It could even be used to dazzle or blind bomber crews or fighter pilots from enormous distances... a 5 miliwatt laser can dazzle and we are talking about mega watt lasers... for those not familiar with such terms... mili means thousandths of a watt, while mega means millions of watts... a billion times difference in power...
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 13, 2012 7:40 am

    Supposedly Redut on Soobrazitelny is not fully functional yet, so let's not get too happy yet.

    Though the entire Redut-Poliment system might actually work smoother on Gorshkov.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 13, 2012 7:57 am

    And Klinok wasn't functional on the first 4 Udaloy class vessels either... it was planned to have it, but the radar wasn't read in time for the ships, so they went to sea with them non operational.

    It will be the same in this case... the article you have posted states... as you said that they will have proper at sea tests this year.

    Once it has completed its test... assuming no major problems they can start fitting the full system to existing ships and new ships that are being delayed for the system.

    It is a bit like Bulava except for the fact that they are only doing sea trials now because the naval version of the land based system suffered from a shortage of qualified engineers to redesign and test it.

    They say they are now ready for at sea testing... which all sounds pretty good to me.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 13, 2012 9:47 am

    Yeah no doubt, it is a common situation both in Ru Navy and in foreign navies.

    But my worry is about Redut with the sensors on the 20380 in general, not so much the full Redut-Poliment suit on 22350.
    Hopefully 20385 is better this respect.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 14, 2012 10:11 am

    It is a new missile system and on the different vessels it is being integrated with different sensors...

    I rather suspect that the integration of both systems (corvette and frigate) will take a bit of work as previously Soviet and Russian systems have had all dedicated sensors and equipment and now they are using main sensors to supply data to a range of weapons.

    Obviously the Poliment/Redut combination needs some testing, as will the system on the Corvettes with the Redut SAM system, but it is not like they are landing on the moon for the first time... there will be problems and eventually it will work... this ain't their first rodeo...

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Mindstorm on Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:24 pm



    Boris Obsonov ,General Director of Tactical Missile Corporation, announce at Гидроавиасалоне-2012 that plans to increase both range and speed of the already outstanding underwater missile-torpedo "Squall" are actually in work in response to ever increasing interest ,by part of potential international buyers, toward this advanced weapon.


    http://vz.ru/news/2012/9/7/597040.html


    Other interesting points touched are the finished works for the export version of both the greatly improved models of air-lauched high speed anti-ship missile- Kh-31-AD- and antiradar missile Kh-31PD



    The last word , obviously to the development of Hypersonic Missiles defined by Boris Obsonov (....in the same way of any other knowledgeable, technical responsible in military field Rolling Eyes ) a truly crucial segment with immeasurable potential benefical returns in the Aerospace Civil sector.


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Austin on Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:49 pm

    So what is the next generation Squall is Russian Navy working on , I mean not the export model but what RuN uses , will it have guidance , higher speed and range ?

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Mindstorm on Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:37 pm

    , will it have guidance , higher speed and range ?


    Yes, its speed will be increased over that of the domestic version (superior to 500 Km/h) so will its range


    will it have guidance



    Will ? Sometime i remain surprised that some "notions" could become so rooted in common immaginary (for effect of an odd, foundless information repeated over and over ) even when it result completely irreconcilable not only with any rational inference ,but even only with mere common good sense.

    The only version of "Shkval" devoid of guidance (simply because it would have provided foreign entities with a deep understanding of the technical principles at the basis of the VA-111's propulsion ) was the export version that ,in fact ,was limited to 7 km engagement range (the maximum allowing a similar unguided cavitating torpedo to retain any type of effective operational employment) and only against surface targets.

    This is a brief article with some historical facts on VA-111's development ,by Alexander Karpenko ,which could aid at realize as, already in Soviet times VA-111 ,in its advanced incarnations, was obviously never conceived as an unguided weapon .


    http://vpk-news.ru/articles/3990





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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:22 am

    Has Squal ever been deployed on Russian subs post USSR?

    I believe no.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:36 am

    Why wouldn't it be?

    AFAIK they are successful weapons that are fairly widely deployed.

    Note these are not the HTP powered torpedoes that destroyed the Kursk, AFAIK Shkval torpedoes are not powered by HTP, which is better known as hydrogen peroxide.


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:40 pm

    First Submarine-Launched BrahMos Missile to Fly This Year

    First launch of submarine-based Russian-Indian cruise missile BrahMos will be carried out by the end of the current year, director of BrahMos Aerospace Dr. Sivathanu Pillai told ARMS-TASS at the 23-rd international exhibition Euronaval-2012.

    "We're going to perform the first submarine-based version of the missile by underwater testing platform by the end of the current year", Pillai said.

    As for him, that test launch will be a significant milestone in the BrahMos program, because right after that Indian Navy is to decide whether to arm India's prospective non-nuclear submarine with those missiles.

    According to a representative of the Rubin Design Bureau, Russia is ready to offer Amur-1650 submarine armed with either Club or BrahMos missile system.

    "So far, Indian partners have not brought up integration of BrahMos system into Amur-1650 which is participating in the Indian Navy's tender for prospective submarine 75I", said Andrei Baranov, deputy director of Rubin bureau for foreign economic activities.

    Presently, Russian project of the sub is equipped with Club missiles, well known in Indian Navy and launched by horizontal torpedo tubes. But if Indian partners desire to integrate vertical-launch attack missile system BrahMos, Russia is ready to redesign the project, Baranov said.

    "BrahMos will be placed inside Amur-1650 submarine as an additional compartment with vertical launchers", explained the Rubin's spokesman.

    "Amur and BrahMos are well-compatible, and we have worked hard on the submarine-missile architecture. So, if Indian party wants this sub to have BrahMos missiles, that would improve chance of Rosoboronexport in the 75I tender", he stressed.

    On the other hand, he added that issuing of the 75I tender had been postponed several times. According to the latest information, the tender can be announced in the next year, Baranov said.

    State-led JSC Rosoboronexport will offer perspective non-nuclear submarine Amur-1650 with air-independent powerplant for India's tender for procurement and license production of six non-nuclear subs.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=16238

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:01 pm

    Came across this Official Ratheyon video which shows USN Tomahawk Block 4 targeting RuN Cruiser and S-300 batteries

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wluabEE1ls8


    The capabilities of block 4 like loitering capability over target , Satcom communication and inflight retargetting are very nice , wish some day RuN Club has it as well
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:54 am

    Runavy uses Kalibr, pretty sure it has Satcom link.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:31 am

    Granits used satcom links in the 1980s.

    Loiter near an enemy ship with a subsonic cruise missile... are you serious?


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Austin on Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:56 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Loiter near an enemy ship with a subsonic cruise missile... are you serious?

    Not really a ship but around land targets , Since Block 4 has MMW radar it can very well image a land target among clutter and while they loiter they also gather intelligence and relay it in real time via satcom or a UAV.

    Its more like Loiter , Gather Intelligence and then pounce on the target which were seems very critical from the intelligence gathered.

    Its a nice capability to have basicly they act like UAV closer to enemy but with ability to attack as well.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:38 pm

    Austin wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Loiter near an enemy ship with a subsonic cruise missile... are you serious?

    Not really a ship but around land targets , Since Block 4 has MMW radar it can very well image a land target among clutter and while they loiter they also gather intelligence and relay it in real time via satcom or a UAV.

    Its more like Loiter , Gather Intelligence and then pounce on the target which were seems very critical from the intelligence gathered.

    Its a nice capability to have basicly they act like UAV closer to enemy but with ability to attack as well.

    Good luck with that Very Happy Very Happy

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Shadåw on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:12 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Austin wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Loiter near an enemy ship with a subsonic cruise missile... are you serious?

    Not really a ship but around land targets , Since Block 4 has MMW radar it can very well image a land target among clutter and while they loiter they also gather intelligence and relay it in real time via satcom or a UAV.

    Its more like Loiter , Gather Intelligence and then pounce on the target which were seems very critical from the intelligence gathered.

    Its a nice capability to have basicly they act like UAV closer to enemy but with ability to attack as well.

    Good luck with that Very Happy Very Happy

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    I`m going to assume this will only be used on incompetent 3rd world armies rather then any modern, well trained and equiped force?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:22 am

    As mentioned a subsonic missile emitting MMW radar energy will not be a problem for a modern defence.

    If you want a MALE or HALE then send one.


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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:08 pm

    Anybody know what the status is on the Russian Paket-E/NK anti-torpedo defense system?? Question
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:09 pm

    Paket is used on the 20380 operationally.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:24 pm

    TR1 wrote:Paket is used on the 20380 operationally.

    That's good, i thought the project was abandoned. Surprised

    Any other ships or just the 20380?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:32 pm

    22350 is also going to use the Paket.
    Not sure about anything else, but that is quite a lot of ships as is.

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