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    Austin

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:20 am

    Thanks , That would be stupidity if they dont standardise on a single class of CIWS.

    Just keep AK-630M/Duet for low end ships and Plama for high end.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:27 am

    Palma is the low cost low impact CIWS for light vessels and for export.

    There is no deck penetration... Kashtan on the other hand has below deck missile handling equipment and 24 reserve missiles which together with the 8 on the mount meant 32 missiles per turret available, plus two 30mm gatling guns.

    The Palma is cheaper because it doesn't have CM or MMW radar, and it has only 8 missiles ready to fire.

    Those missiles are laser beam riding Sosna missiles.

    The replacement for Kashtan-M is a Pantsir-S1 based system with 20km engagement range and a an engagement envelope from 2m above the wave tops to 15km altitude, with 8 missiles on the gun mount with a further 24 missiles below decks for a total of 32 missiles.

    It will be used on larger vessels with plenty of room.

    less room, or less money or both = Palma or Duet or combinations of the two.

    Thanks , That would be stupidity if they dont standardise on a single class of CIWS.

    They are different enough to be useful. The Palma is a cheaper simpler option for export or for vessels that are not designed for serious combat.

    For Pantsir equipped vessels they should be able to defend themselves from a range of threats.

    Part of the Kirov upgrades and Slava upgrades will likely include Pantsir because of their performance.

    For smaller vessels where stealth is a concern then Duet and Palma offer cheaper more radar silent options.

    The ultimate solution would be Duet and Morfei in vertical launch bins... as it would be stealthy and relatively very capable.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:12 pm

    Russia Develops Robots for Maritime Defense

    MOSCOW, August 4 (RIA Novosti) - Russian scientists have developed and presented to the Defense Ministry a maritime defense system comprising surface, underwater and flying robots, a defense industry official told RIA Novosti on Monday.

    “The global [maritime defense] command-and-control system, which we are developing, is ready for a large-scale testing phase,” General Director and Chief Designer of the Morinformsystem-Agat corporation, Georgy Antsev, said during the Innovation Day exhibition organized by the Defense Ministry.

    "A patrol ship or a submarine are not always capable of monitoring large regions, while an integrated information control robotic system may solve tasks related to the defense of whole regions, as well as providing navigation in difficult conditions," Antsev said.

    According to the official, the system includes remotely-controlled patrol boats, unmanned aerial vehicles, various types of floating beacons and sensors, as well as other means of monitoring, communications and data-management.

    Antsev said his company could create robotic systems providing maritime defenses of any scope - from protection of ports to the defense of entire stretches of border. The robots could be equipped with traditional internal combustion engines or with engines powered by solar or water energy, he added.

    Morinformsystem-Agat Concern is an umbrella organization in the Russian shipbuilding industry specializing in the domains of informational systems and technologies, system engineering in the sphere of marine data computing equipment, electromagnetic compatibility of radio-electronic facilities, degaussing systems, fire control systems of sea-based cruise and ballistic missiles, combat information and control systems and integrated management systems for surface ships and submarines, according to the company’s official website.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  MotherlandCalls on Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:16 am

    George1 wrote:Russia Develops Robots for Maritime Defense

    "A patrol ship or a submarine are not always capable of monitoring large regions, while an integrated information control robotic system may solve tasks related to the defense of whole regions, as well as providing navigation in difficult conditions," Antsev said.

    According to the official, the system includes remotely-controlled patrol boats, unmanned aerial vehicles, various types of floating beacons and sensors, as well as other means of monitoring, communications and data-management.

    I don't see how a remotely controlled patrol boat would be any better than a patrol ship with men on board. The UAVs and other beacons and sensors make a lot more sense and it will be interesting to see the results of those tests.  russia 
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Mike E on Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:47 am

    MotherlandCalls wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia Develops Robots for Maritime Defense

    "A patrol ship or a submarine are not always capable of monitoring large regions, while an integrated information control robotic system may solve tasks related to the defense of whole regions, as well as providing navigation in difficult conditions," Antsev said.

    According to the official, the system includes remotely-controlled patrol boats, unmanned aerial vehicles, various types of floating beacons and sensors, as well as other means of monitoring, communications and data-management.

    I don't see how a remotely controlled patrol boat would be any better than a patrol ship with men on board. The UAVs and other beacons and sensors make a lot more sense and it will be interesting to see the results of those tests.  russia 

    It means that the men that would have been on the ship can be placed elsewhere. Patrol boats don't really need to have a crew.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Austin on Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:25 pm

    Naval Variant of Pantsir called Pantsir-M developed

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/52284/

    Completed service testing of a marine ZRPK "Armour" delivery set to begin in the Navy in 2016. This was at the "Oboronekspo 2014" the CEO of the holding company " Precision complexes " Alexander Denisov .




    "Armour-M" is a naval variant ZRPK "Armour-S" and to replace the complex " Dirk . " Contract for the supply of a marine ZRPK "Armour" was signed with the Ministry of Defense.
    Previously Managing Director of Instrument Design Bureau, part of the holding "Precision complexes", Dmitry Kanaplyou reported That under the sea "Armour" will modernize a number of destroyers and other large ships. Such works are already underway.


    There is a version that the two versions of the ship's combat module anti-aircraft missile and gun systems "Armour-M" will be included in the arms of the Russian destroyer perspective of the "Leader", the creation of which is under development work. Study of image multi-purpose ship oceanic zone is present in the state defense order for 2014. According to the portal "modern army", armament of destroyers of the "Leader" will be comparable with a complete set of American destroyer Arleigh Burke.


    Anti-aircraft missile and gun system "Armour" - the card Tula KBP. The system is designed to destroy cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, aircraft and ground targets within a radius of 20 km and at an altitude of 15 km.


    "Instrument Design Bureau" - one of the leading design organizations Russian defense complex. Since 2008, the PCU is a member Rosteha, being one of the major holding companies "High-complexes." PCU forces developed and mastered serial production of more than 150 models of weapons and military equipment. Currently, the company is a powerful research and production center, a system of modern precision weapons. Technical solutions embodied in the KBP developments, contain more than 6000 inventions.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:34 am

    Great! I can't wait to see it equipped on some new ships, it will easily be the best CIWS in the world!
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:41 pm

    Not totally clear but it seems from the article that there will be two versions... one for upgrading existing ships and one for new designs.

    I would expect the model for new designs is a more stealthy design perhaps?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Mike E on Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:59 am

    GarryB wrote:Not totally clear but it seems from the article that there will be two versions... one for upgrading existing ships and one for new designs.

    I would expect the model for new designs is a more stealthy design perhaps?
    Perhaps, as it is with the AK-630.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:35 pm

    As far as I know the "stealthy" AK-630 is Duet...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:02 pm

    Palma testing:

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:00 am

    I think the following shows the AK-76MA.

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  RTN on Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:With a scramjet engine things are made much easier because the air coming in does not need to be slowed down to subsonic speeds and then accelerated through the engine back up to high supersonic speeds to generate thrust.

    SSK equipped with VLS will make it unstable & it will be a nightmare to control the SSK’s neutral buoyancy levels. This is because ASCMs like BrahMos-1 are best launched from either VLS or inclined launchers encased within much heavier SSGNs. It was for this reason that Russia way back in 2001 wound-up its efforts to market the VLS-equipped Amur 1650.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:22 am

    SSK equipped with VLS will make it unstable & it will be a nightmare to control the SSK’s neutral buoyancy levels.

    No disrespect meant, but that sounds silly... most subs are full of a range of ballast tanks that allow shifting of the cg to all over the place on the sub.

    Modern cruise missiles are not that different in weight to torpedos, but more importantly on old Soviet and Russian subs the torpedo room is right at the nose of the vessel so launching 4 torpedoes could take up to 10 tons off the weight of the front of the vessel.

    Vertical launch tubes are added to SSKs and can be placed at the CG so weight loss through launching would have zero effect on stability.

    To be honest the launch tubes themselves could be used to balance the boat as when the missiles are launched the doors can be shut and any level of water could be pumped in... as needed from full to none depending on the requirement at the time.

    To be brutally honest the weight of the missile will actually be close to the missiles volume in water as fuel and even HE payloads, as well as electronic sections are not generally denser than water, so the water that fills the tube after the missile has been launched will balance out the loss of weight of the missile...
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    T-5 Torpedo

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:16 pm

    T-5 nuclear/thermonuclear tipped torpedo

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:18 pm

    No supercavitation?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:40 pm

    Werewolf wrote:No supercavitation?

    Obviously not.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:09 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:No supercavitation?

    Obviously not.

    That was meant, more like Why not? I mean the Shkval has it and also optional nuclear tipped warhead, so what is the benefit of T5 over VA-111?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:48 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:No supercavitation?

    Obviously not.

    That was meant, more like Why not? I mean the Shkval has it and also optional nuclear tipped warhead, so what is the benefit of T5 over VA-111?

    T-5 was a much older system.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:30 am

    That was meant, more like Why not? I mean the Shkval has it and also optional nuclear tipped warhead, so what is the benefit of T5 over VA-111?

    When the boom at the end is that big... you want it to be as far away from your sub as possible... no huge advantage to getting it there faster.. most nukes have lethal underwater ranges of 10km or more, so whether it is travelling at 30knts or 200knts not many vessels could escape the danger zone... especially when they wont actually know where to run to as the wont know where it has been directed to to explode.
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:24 pm

    There has been some word about the new kind of underwater robots able to destroy entire CBG just recently and now this

    Underwater robots are experiencing on a submarine "Sarov"

    The press service of the Russian Navy was then informed that the new submarine is designed to test "of combat and non-combat unmanned underwater vehicles, as well as other types of naval weapons and armaments and underwater technology for various purposes, their prototypes, working models (prototypes) produced from starting installations. " The stand is designed for continuous operation and the possibility of multiple upgrades.

    testing of Russian AIP has started

    CDB "Ruby": a sample of anaerobic systems for submarines already working
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:21 am

    Here it says that a marine version of Tor-M2U is on schedule
    http://военное.рф/2015/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B511/

    They mean naval version for ships or in a different chassis for use by the naval infantry?
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:26 am

    Would be naval version for ships...
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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:28 pm

    Russia Successfully Tests Small-Sized Anti-Submarine System in Baltic Sea

    Russia has successfully tested its newest anti-submarine system, which features anti-torpedo capabilities, during military exercises in the Baltic Sea.

    Russia’s stealth corvette Soobrazitelny has successfully tested the country’s newest Paket-NK small-sized anti-submarine system with anti-torpedo capabilities during the military exercises in the Baltic Sea.

    The Kilo class diesel-electric torpedo submarine “Varshavyanka” (Project 877) served as a target and was fired at with actual torpedoes (which hadn't been equipped with warheads).

    The corvette is set to engage in more practice firing and conduct a number of other military exercises.

    The Paket-NK system is designed to engage (destroy) submarines in a ship's close-in zone, when carrying out submarine warfare tasks, and to destroy torpedoes, attacking the ship while carrying out anti-torpedo defense tasks.

    The Paket-NK system can operate independently or be integrated into ship's antisubmarine/anti-torpedo defense system, solving a number of tasks in fully automatic or automated modes.

    The tasks may include the generation of target designation data for smaller heat-seeking torpedoes, based on data provided by ship's sonar systems and posts.

    Detection and classification of attacking torpedoes, determination of their movement parameters, and generation of target designation data for anti-torpedoes

    Pre-launch preparation of combat modules, generation and transfer of firing data to them, launching of anti-torpedoes and/or miniature heat-seeking torpedoes

    The Paket-NK system is a radically new weapon system, allowing surface ships to complete ASW/anti-torpedo defense tasks with high effectiveness, and to substantially increase their survivability.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150209/1017989525.html#ixzz3RG3k3wAI

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    Re: Naval Weapon Systems & Technology

    Post  Vympel on Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:22 am

    Lets talk modern Russian torpedoes - we know now that the Russians have dumped their oversized torpedo launchers for surface ships and moved to the international standard size (more or less) with Paket-NK, but what about torpedoes for submarines? Any developments in this area?

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