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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:58 pm

    Four Polish Warplanes Reinforce NATO Contingent in Lithuania

    Four Polish MiG-29 fighter airplanes will join NATO contingent in Lithuania, according to Lithuania Ministry of National Defense.

    VILNIUS, January 8 (Sputnik) — Four Polish MiG-29 fighter airplanes, aiming to reinforce NATO's Baltic Air Policing Mission, currently carried out by an Italian air contingent, landed at the Lithuanian Air Force Base in Siauliai, Lithuania's Ministry of National Defense said on Thursday.

    According to the ministry's Wednesday statement, the new contingent will arrive from their permanent station at the 23rd Tactical Minsk-Mazowiecki Air Base.

    "The over 100-strong contingent will be manned according to a model similar to the Italian contingent to include pilots, engineers, medical personnel, provision elements, communications and other specialists," the statement read.

    The Baltic States have no military airplanes suitable for air policing; and so the security of the airspace of the three countries is ensured by airplanes from other NATO members based in Lithuania's Siauliai. Polish airplanes will join four Italian Eurofighter fighter jets which have been in Lithuania since January 1.

    The Polish Air Force will take part in the Baltic Air Policing Mission for the sixth time. Previously they ensured the security of the Baltic States' airspace in May-August 2014.

    Since 2004, when Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia joined NATO, the Baltic Air Policing Mission was handled by four fighters from one of the bloc's member countries. However, with the start of the crisis in Ukraine the Alliance increased its presence in the region and doubled the number of military airplanes in Siauliai. Four other airplanes have been based in Estonia since May 1, 2014.

    Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have recently appealed for a larger NATO presence in the region amid the armed conflict in Ukraine. NATO has accused Russia of taking part in the fighting, while Moscow has dismissed the claims as groundless.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:15 pm

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    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:54 am

    Poland Open to Arms Sales to Ukraine

    Poland Ready to Send Humanitarian Convoy to East Ukraine Next Week: Reports
    WARSAW, January 30 (Sputnik) – Poland is open to selling weapons to Ukraine, Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna said Friday.

    “Poland is open to arms sales to Ukraine,” Schetyna said speaking on Polish TOK FM radio. “We are open. This is business,” he added.

    Schetyna stressed that the arms sales depend on Ukraine’s financial capabilities.

    In October 2014, Schetyna said that Poland had no plans to supply Ukraine with arms.

    On January 21, 2015 Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov denounced the deliveries of weapons by a number of NATO members and European Union countries as contradicting EU and Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) norms.

    On Thursday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said that the West does not supply Kiev with lethal weapons, despite an announcement made by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in September last year that a number of NATO countries had agreed to deliver modern weapons to the country. Presidential adviser Yuri Lutsenko claimed later that an agreement had been reached at the NATO summit in Wales on the supply of weapons from the United States, France, Poland, Norway and Italy, but the countries cited subsequently denied the statement.

    On January 6, the Ukrainian authorities announced that Kiev had received arms that it had previously requested from Lithuania.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:09 pm

    US Defense Budget Allocates Funds for NATO’s Baltic Air Policing Mission

    US Defense Department announced Monday that four-and-half million US dollars could be allocated to a US Air Force sponsored Baltic air policing initiative with NATO partners.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — Four-and-half million US dollars could be allocated to a US Air Force sponsored Baltic air policing initiative with NATO partners as part of the $789 million for the European Reassurance Initiative, the US Defense Department announced Monday in its $585.3 billion defense budget proposal.

    “These missions demonstrate Air Force’s continued commitment to European security and solidarity with other NATO allies. This initiative includes funding for the provision and maintenance of 24/7 air policing capabilities over the three Baltic States and adjacent international airspace,” the Defense Department said outlining the budget proposal.

    The program will help Baltic NATO members Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia improve their capability, readiness, and responsiveness to deter against aggressors in the region, the Defense Department said. The NATO Baltic air policing initiative has been in place since the three Baltic States joined the alliance in 2004.

    NATO has accused Russia over the last year of multiple sorties in the Baltic region as relations between the West and Russia have deteriorated over Ukraine. In January NATO's top commander, General Philip Breedlove, said the alliance aimed to strengthen exercises and defences in the Baltics.

    A report last year by the European Leadership Network said there has been a sharp increase in incidents between Russian and NATO militaries. The report said “events add up to a highly disturbing picture of violations of national airspace, emergency scrambles, narrowly avoided mid-air collisions.”

    NATO has been strengthening its military presence along Russia’s western border amid the Ukrainian crisis, which the alliance claims Russia is involved in. Moscow has repeatedly stressed that it is not involved in the situation in Ukraine and has expressed concern over the build-up of NATO forces along its borders.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:24 pm

    Estonia Ready to Open NATO Command Center Next Week

    Officers from both Estonia and other NATO member-states will be working in the new command center, Defense Minister Sven Mikser said. NATO plans to create six new command and control posts in Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania.

    TALLIN (Sputnik) — Estonia is ready to open a NATO command center on its territory in the near future, the country's Defense Minister Sven Mikser said in an interview with Estonian National Television Friday.

    "We have announced our preparedness to station this kind of center. We are ready to do it even next week. Actually, we have already provided working placement and the necessary means. Right now we are looking for and appointing Estonian staff," Mikser said.

    According to the minister, officers from both the host country and other NATO member-states will be working in the command center.

    On Thursday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced a doubling of the military bloc's Response Force to 30,000 people. The ministers also agreed on the creation of six new command and control posts in Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania.

    On Friday, Russia's envoy to the alliance, Alexander Grushko said that NATO's recent decision will lead to "adequate" changes in his country's military planning, as it "creates a great risk for Russia."

    Russia has repeatedly expressed concern over the buildup of NATO forces along its western borders, primarily in the Baltics, which Grushko thinks could again become a region of "military confrontation."

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    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:32 pm

    Latvian Army Claims NATO Jets Scrambled to Intercept Russian Plane
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    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:48 pm

    Moscow concerned by plans to form joint Ukrainian-Polish-Lithuanian military brigade
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    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:51 pm

    NATO Buildup Near Russian Borders Undermines Security - Lavrov

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated after meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg that NATO's course on strengthening its military potential and expanding its military presence in eastern Europe provokes confrontation and undermines the whole system of Euro-Atlantic security.

    MOSCOW, (Sputnik) — Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated Saturday that NATO military buildup near the Russian borders fuels up confrontation and undermines European security.

    Lavrov met with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference to discuss the deterioration of relations between Russia and NATO in light of the Ukrainian crisis.

    "NATO's course on strengthening its military potential and expanding its military presence and infrastructure on the alliance's 'eastern flank' as well as an increase in the number of exercises near the Russian borders creates additional tensions, provoke confrontation and undermine the whole system of Euro-Atlantic security," the Russian Foreign Ministry quoted Lavrov as saying.

    The sides also discussed the current standoff between Kiev authorities and self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics in eastern Ukraine.

    "Lavrov stressed that NATO support of Kiev's military action in southern Ukraine hampers attempts to find a peaceful resolution of the deep domestic crisis in Ukraine," the ministry said.

    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov explained that all the measures taken by NATO are defensive and pledged to maintain an open channel of dialogue with Moscow.

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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:14 pm

    US Troops Not to Be Stationed in Czech Republic

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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:51 pm

    5,000 Military Servicemen to Take Part in Norway Drills Near Russian Border

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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:36 pm

    NATO Wraps Up Joint Naval Drill in the Black Sea

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    US Abrams Tanks to Be Deployed in Lithuania

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    Boots on the Ground: US Tanks, Humvees Arrive in Latvia


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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:36 pm

    Moscow Will Respond to NATO Military Buildup Near Russia's Border - Lavrov

    Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov said that Moscow would respond to NATO military buildup near Russian border "in an adequate way."

    NATO military buildup near Russia's border does not contribute to the restoration of trust in the Euroatlantic space, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Tuesday.

    "We have confirmed our stance that military buildup near our border does not contribute to the restoration of trust in the Euroatlantic," the Russian foreign minister said during a news conference with his Spanish counterpart.

    Lavrov added that "we are forced to react in an adequate way, but we are sure that these problems need to be solved through an equal dialog based on mutual respect."

    Following Crimea's reunification with Russia in March 2014 and the start of an internal armed conflict in Ukraine’s southeast in April, NATO has been boosting its military presence near Russia’s borders, including in the Baltic states.

    On February 5, NATO defense ministers agreed to set up a new high-readiness force dubbed Spearhead Force as part of the NATO Response Force. Altogether, the enhanced Response Force will be increased and count up to around 30,000 troops.

    The ministers also decided to establish six command and control units in Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania tasked with “ensuring that national and NATO forces from across the Alliance are able to act as one from the start” if a crisis arises.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:52 pm

    US Tanks, Paratroopers to Arrive in Estonia for Military Drills This Week

    US Abrams tanks with personnel, as well as two groups of US paratroopers will arrive in the Estonian town of Tapa at the end of this week to participate in the Siil 2015 (the Hedgehog 2015) international military exercises, the General Staff of the country's Defense Forces said Tuesday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Siil 2015 military training will be held in Estonia from May 4 — 15. A total of 13,000 US and Estonian soldiers will take part in the drills.

    "In addition to Abrams tanks, support equipment and other auto vehicles, as well as two groups of US paratroopers will arrive in Tapa," Estonia's General Staff said in a statement.

    Vehicles and equipment will arrive in Tapa by rail.

    The presence of US soldiers in Tapa is part of operation Atlantic Resolve, which demonstrates US efforts in support of its NATO allies and partners in Europe.

    More than 120 armored vehicles, including Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles were delivered on Monday to Latvia from the United States.

    NATO has been strengthening its military presence along Russia's western border amid the conflict in southeastern Ukraine, claiming Moscow's involvement.

    Russia has repeatedly stressed that it is not party to the Ukraine crisis and has expressed concern over the expansion of NATO forces along its borders.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:14 pm

    NATO Drills Begin in Lithuania on Monday

    According to Lithuania’s Defense Ministry, NATO's Fire Thunder exercise using US Paladin M109A6 artillery systems has begun in the country.

    RIGA, (Sputnik) – NATO exercise Fire Thunder using US Paladin M109A6 artillery systems has begun in Lithuania, the country's Defense Ministry said Monday.

    Servicemen from Lithuania, the United States, Poland and Portugal comprise the 450 military employees who are participating in the drills.

    The NATO soldiers are expected to perform coordination and shooting exercises. According to Lithuania's Defense Ministry, the drills will take place at two training areas in the country.

    The ministry said that this is the third Lithuanian Armed Forces Fire Thunder NATO collaboration drill, with the number of participating NATO allies increasing every year.

    The drills will wrap up on April 24.

    Earlier on Saturday, NATO launched exercise Joint Warrior in Scotland, with the participation of more than 50 warships and submarines, alongside 70 aircraft and 13,000 personnel from 14 countries.

    Head of Russia's National Nuclear Risk Reduction Center Sergei Ryzhkov said the country is monitoring the scope of NATO exercises in the United Kingdom.

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    Post  putinboss on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:09 am

    what I find funny is that nato and us troops, think that they are rolling their tanks over the russian border and into moscow to get the evil leader putin, they think russia is like iraq in the gulf war in 1991, they would be in shock at what they would face, russia
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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:52 pm

    Moscow Keeps Eye on NATO's Moves in East Europe

    Russia is keeping watch over NATO's policies in Eastern Europe as they may violate the fundamental Russia-NATO Act.

    MOSCOW, April 17 (Sputnik) – Moscow is following NATO’s policies in Eastern Europe to make sure the Alliance is not taking any steps that would breach the fundamental Russia-NATO Act, Director of the Department for Non-Proliferation and Arms Control Mikhail Ulyanov told RIA Novosti on Friday.

    The 1997 Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security between NATO and Russia stipulates that the bloc will not station substantial combat forces near the Russian border permanently.

    “It should be said that we are carefully following what is happening in the policies of NATO on its so-called eastern flank,” Ulyanov said.

    NATO Accuses Russia of Distorting Facts on NATO Military Activity
    The official said that NATO frequently uses terms similar to those used during war times, including “frontal states.”

    “We are currently watching closely for signs the Alliance isn’t doing anything in the territories of its eastern member states that would breach its obligations [in the Russia-NATO Act],” he added.

    Earlier in April, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said that the bloc was undergoing its largest troop increase since the end of the Cold War.

    In February, NATO said that its Response Force, stationed close to Russia in Eastern Europe, will more than double to 30,000 military personnel.

    The nearly year-long conflict in southeast Ukraine has served as a justification for NATO expansion in Eastern Europe. The military bloc, along with its political and economic counterparts, claims Moscow is involved in the ongoing fighting. Russia has repeatedly denied its involvement in the confrontation between Kiev and Donbass.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:14 am

    France Sends Battle Tanks to Poland

    As NATO continues to beef up its presence in Eastern Europe, France has deployed a squad of Leclerc battle tanks into Poland for training exercises. It’s the latest example of the West accusing Russia of military aggression while it, in fact, takes steps toward establishing a stronger NATO.

    On Monday, 15 Leclerc main battle tanks (MBTs) left France en route for Poland. Part of the 12ème Régiment de Cuirassiers, France has also deployed a platoon from the 16ème Bataillon de Chasseurs which includes four infantry fighting vehicles, and a platoon from the 13ème Régiment du Génie.

    Only in service in 1992, the Leclerc’s aren’t exactly battle-hardened. Seeing minimal action in Kosovo and Lebanon, the tanks have never been used directly in a high-intensity conflict.

    Earlier on Tuesday, Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski also indicated that he would negotiate with the United States to purchase medium-range Patriot defense missiles. This decision was in response to a vague, unspecified "threat from the east," mentioned by President Komorowski last year.

    Some experts have suggested that the missile purchase could be a political move for the upcoming Polish elections in May.

    "At a time of an armed conflict in Ukraine Bronislaw Komorowski wants to present himself as a strong commander-in-chief," political marketing specialist Wieslaw Galazka told Wirtualna Polska news.
    Staff operate at the NATO Computer Incident Response Capability (NCIRC) technical center, at NATO's military headquarters SHAPE in Mons, southwestern Belgium, Tuesday, Dec. 10, 2013. The NCIRC protects NATO systems and information from any form of attack and from deliberate or accidental exposure.

    The Western military alliance has also been increasing its presence in Baltic nations. Latvia has expressed its desire to host a permanent battalion of NATO troops.

    "At the present moment, we are looking for an air defense system," Latvian Defense Minister Raimonds Vejonis told Sputnik on Tuesday. "Of course, we will discuss possible permanent NATO presence in the region – it is a key question for us."

    NATO is also launching a series of cyber war exercises in Estonia. Though these are not officially in response to a perceived Russian threat, Rob Pritchard, a cybersecurity expert at the Royal United Services Institute in London, indicated a likely connection.

    "Russia is currently looming large on the NATO radar, and the exercise is likely to simulate attacks similar to those used by the Russian state, and state-backed actors," Pritchard was quoted by the Associated Press.

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:05 am

    putinboss wrote:what I find funny is that nato and us troops, think that they are rolling their tanks over the russian border and into moscow to get the evil leader putin, they think russia is like iraq in the gulf war in 1991, they would be in shock at what they would face, russia

    When are NATO and US troops rolling over the Russian border?

    What sort of nightmares are you having?
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    Post  George1 on Mon May 04, 2015 1:47 pm

    Poland’s president signs law on establishing Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military brigade

    The brigade will be formed as part of the European Union’s combat groups with an aim to participate in operations under the UN, NATO and EU aegis

    WARSAW, May 4. /TASS/. President of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski has signed a resolution on establishing the Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military brigade, the Polish leader’s office reported on Monday.

    The resolution will come into force two weeks after it is published, which will allow Komorowski to ratify the relevant agreement.

    Talks on creating a large Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military contingent had been held since 2007. The defense ministers from the three countries signed the agreement on its establishment in September 2014.

    The brigade will be formed as part of the European Union’s combat groups with an aim to participate in operations under the UN, NATO and EU aegis. The manpower and military hardware assigned by the three countries to the military contingent will stay at the places of their permanent location and will be subordinated to the brigade’s command during exercises and the accomplishment of missions.

    At present, only the Polish part of the command consisting of 50 officers and a Polish battalion 250 men strong are staying at the brigade’s headquarters in Lublin, Poland. The Ukrainian and Lithuanian servicemen are expected to join them soon.

    The brigade’s first military exercises are scheduled for the autumn of this year.

    The Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military contingent is expected to reach its full combat readiness in two years and have a strength of up to 4,500 servicemen.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:24 am

    You could just write the Map of 2nd wave Euromeatshield.
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:12 pm

    Lawmaker: Moscow can answer possible deployment of US nuclear missiles in Europe

    Americans are very stupid people it appears.  You cannot counter Russian nukes or missile systems this way.  They are far spread out and if they don't break INF, they cannot try to "counter them".  Even if it is an impossible task.

    If the US decides to actually abandon INF and places missiles in Europe to so called counter Russia, then Russia could build systems that carries and fires multiple of cruise missiles in salvo, effectively making US anti missile systems incapable. Cruise missiles are relatively cheap to make and thus it will be even easier to build them en mass. They could also expand Iskander to reach much farther. They could also increase number of land strike variants of cruise missiles with long range for Kilo submarines and surface ships.

    Effectively, Russia has plenty of options. They could also open up bases in Venezuela and other countries and place such missiles in those countries too.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:24 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Lawmaker: Moscow can answer possible deployment of US nuclear missiles in Europe

    Americans are very stupid people it appears.  You cannot counter Russian nukes or missile systems this way.  They are far spread out and if they don't break INF, they cannot try to "counter them".  Even if it is an impossible task.

    If the US decides to actually abandon INF and places missiles in Europe to so called counter Russia, then Russia could build systems that carries and fires multiple of cruise missiles in salvo, effectively making US anti missile systems incapable.  Cruise missiles are relatively cheap to make and thus it will be even easier to build them en mass.  They could also expand Iskander to reach much farther.  They could also increase number of land strike variants of cruise missiles with long range for Kilo submarines and surface ships.

    Effectively, Russia has plenty of options.  They could also open up bases in Venezuela and other countries and place such missiles in those countries too.

    I highly doubt that those missile shields in Euromeatshield are even believed to target russian missiles aiming at US. Since the entire NATO (US) logistics goes through Germany,France and UK for their military NATO projection for Europe, they will when a war gets hot or when tactical nukes are deployed, they will need to target those locations and since Tactical nuking is a very calculated game to destroy offensive or defensive capabilities of your enemy with least amount possible theatre/tactical nuke deplyoment, it is a rather calculated game of Downing such missiles. Tactical nukes are rather easy to intercept than Strategic ones.

    Like discussed in another thread of Russia invading US (is it possible), i've already said, if the US tries to attack or NATO as a whole is trying to sustain a short or long term war against Russia, all that russia must do is tactically nuke NATO supply routes in Germany, that will bring the entire NATO war machinery to an almost instant hold. Those ABM shields are exactly for tactical nuking aka serious WW3 preperations.
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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:52 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Lawmaker: Moscow can answer possible deployment of US nuclear missiles in Europe

    Americans are very stupid people it appears.  You cannot counter Russian nukes or missile systems this way.  They are far spread out and if they don't break INF, they cannot try to "counter them".  Even if it is an impossible task.

    If the US decides to actually abandon INF and places missiles in Europe to so called counter Russia, then Russia could build systems that carries and fires multiple of cruise missiles in salvo, effectively making US anti missile systems incapable.  Cruise missiles are relatively cheap to make and thus it will be even easier to build them en mass.  They could also expand Iskander to reach much farther.  They could also increase number of land strike variants of cruise missiles with long range for Kilo submarines and surface ships.

    Effectively, Russia has plenty of options.  They could also open up bases in Venezuela and other countries and place such missiles in those countries too.

    I highly doubt that those missile shields in Euromeatshield are even believed to target russian missiles aiming at US. Since the entire NATO (US) logistics goes through Germany,France and UK for their military NATO projection for Europe, they will when a war gets hot or when tactical nukes are deployed, they will need to target those locations and since Tactical nuking is a very calculated game to destroy offensive or defensive capabilities of your enemy with least amount possible theatre/tactical nuke deplyoment, it is a rather calculated game of Downing such missiles. Tactical nukes are rather easy to intercept than Strategic ones.

    Like discussed in another thread of Russia invading US (is it possible), i've already said, if the US tries to attack or NATO as a whole is trying to sustain a short or long term war against Russia, all that russia must do is tactically nuke NATO supply routes in Germany, that will bring the entire NATO war machinery to an almost instant hold. Those ABM shields are exactly for tactical nuking aka serious WW3 preperations.

    Then more cruise missiles are needed as those ABM's cannot deal with Cruise missiles. At the same time, more S-300V4's, S-400s and S-500's eventually to help protect Russia from NATO Missiles. At same time, striking hard and lots at military instillations that would be protecting ABM sites would be needed, so missiles like cruise missiles would be enough, especially with modern high explosive warheads. Hopefully systems much like Iskander but carrying more than 4 or 6 Klub missiles could be considered to strike the positions. Having enough of them with the ability to work remotely, I would say would give Russia the benefit of being able to strike very hard. Since they would be based within the country or Kaliningrad, they could effectively strike at any country in eastern Europe, that would be basing these ABM sites and missiles sites. Poland for example. In Crimea, they would be able to strike Romania quite easily.

    As well, hopefully Russia goes for non nuclear based ICBM systems carrying special type of warheads of heavy high explosives to be able to build them, store them and use them much cheaper than nuclear.
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:43 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    Then more cruise missiles are needed as those ABM's cannot deal with Cruise missiles.  At the same time, more S-300V4's, S-400s and S-500's eventually to help protect Russia from NATO Missiles.  At same time, striking hard and lots at military instillations that would be protecting ABM sites would be needed, so missiles like cruise missiles would be enough, especially with modern high explosive warheads.  Hopefully systems much like Iskander but carrying more than 4 or 6 Klub missiles could be considered to strike the positions.  Having enough of them with the ability to work remotely, I would say would give Russia the benefit of being able to strike very hard.  Since they would be based within the country or Kaliningrad, they could effectively strike at any country in eastern Europe, that would be basing these ABM sites and missiles sites.  Poland for example.  In Crimea, they would be able to strike Romania quite easily.

    As well, hopefully Russia goes for non nuclear based ICBM systems carrying special type of warheads of heavy high explosives to be able to build them, store them and use them much cheaper than nuclear.

    Cruise missiles to hit ABM make little sense - US nuke salvo is already half way to Russia and you prey so at lease one club hits ABM?

    I strongly believe that multi warhead IRBM/MRBM/SRBM flying on non ballistic trajectory with maneuvering warheads is bet option. Fast delivery (iskander 8-9 Ma vs 0,9 Ma Klub) makes it weapon of choice.

    And yes Russia must watch also budget but I am pretty sure that Rubezh is modular and Iskander had in construction phase option to grow on steroids Smile


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