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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:42 pm

    NATO Allegedly Plans to Approve Military Expansion in Eastern Europe

    Less than a week after the US defense secretary announced a major boost in spending on the Pentagon's activities in Europe, rumors have surfaced that NATO plans to expand its military presence in Poland and the Baltic states in a move that, as Russia has repeatedly warned, will further undermine regional peace and security.

    The initiative was outlined on Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed sources in the US and NATO. The official announcement is expected to come next week following a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels.

    "Officials said the size of the force and precise national contributions won't be determined until later this year. But they said defense ministers are likely to approve a mission to oversee and enlarge what are currently bilateral deployments to Poland and the Baltic States," Julian E. Barnes noted.

    Earlier this week, US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter announced that the DoD plans to request $3.4 billion for fiscal year 2017 (up from $789 million for the current budget year) to reinforce its military presence close to Russia's western borders. The funding will help the US to rotate more troops in the region, conduct more war games and preposition additional military hardware.

    These moves, according to Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, "create grounds to implement military plans against Russia and take practical steps to push military infrastructure closer to Russia's borders." Zakharova described the manner in which these initiatives are carried out as "aggressive" and added that NATO uses a non-existent threat from Russia as a pretext.

    Russia will respond with "fitting political, diplomatic and military" measures to Washington and NATO's "unfriendly" attempts "to exert pressure" on Moscow, Zakharova noted.

    The United States and its partners in NATO have increased their military presence in Eastern Europe and the Baltics following the outbreak of a civil war in Ukraine, which the West largely blames on Russia. Moscow has repeatedly said that it is not a party to the conflict and does not pose a threat to anyone.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160206/1034332599/nato-expansion-eastern-europe.html#ixzz3zPmCRkh6


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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:06 pm



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    Estonia: "we want NATO troops but only if they are not black

    Post  Godric on Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:10 pm

    a bit ungrateful no ?

    http://observer.com/2016/02/estonia-wants-more-nato-troops-but-only-if-they-arent-black/

    While African American NATO troops protect Estonia’s capital, local racists shout 'Go back to your grandparents in Nigeria!'


    February 24 will be a big day in the Estonian capital of Tallinn, when the small Baltic country of 1.3 million celebrates the 98th anniversary of its first independence—complete with a military parade.

    The best of the country’s military might—nine infantry companies, four artillery batteries, nine platoons and two military orchestras—will march past the president, dignitaries and honorable guests, presenting all types of weaponry at Estonia’s arsenal, both U.S. and Soviet-made. According to the Headquarters of the Defense Forces of Estonia, the parade will feature armored troop carriers Sisu XA-1188 and Stryker, 122- and 155-milimeter howitzers, the battery of 120-millimeter mortars, Soviet-made anti-aircraft auto cannon ZU-23-2 “Sergey,” anti-aircraft complex Mistral, anti-tank systems Milan and Javelin, mobile radar Ground Master 403 and auxiliary combat vehicles.

    This can hardly be called a show of force—aimed to impress Estonia’s neighbor Russia—given that the Estonian army is only about 5,500 troops strong with a little more than 30,000 in reserves.
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  max steel on Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:50 pm

    Riga Simplifies NATO Navy Access to Latvian Territorial Waters


    According to the statement, the move comes due to changes in the security situation in Europe.

    A shift in circumstances as well as Latvia's commitments as a member of NATO makes quick NATO access to Latvia’s waters preferable, the country's Defense Ministry said earlier, adding that the new procedures applied to both training drills and real critical situations.

    Latvia's previous rules for territorial water access by foreign ships were adopted in 2010. The rules stipulated a complex procedure involving a Foreign Ministry permission involving engagement with three other ministries as well as the Latvian National Armed Forces.

    Latvia has been a member of NATO since 2004. Russia has repeatedly warned that increased NATO presence close to its borders is provocative and poses a threat to regional and international stability.


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    Post  Militarov on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:37 pm

    US and Poland Army soldiers travel in armored combat vehicles through the streets of Lodz, Poland.







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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:36 pm

    "Estonia will host a record number of U.S. troops during the allied Saber Strike exercise this summer, BBC’s Ukrainian service has reported.

    The Estonian Armed Forces did not confirm how many U.S. troops would take part; however, they did estimate that over 500 units of U.S. military kit would participate in the exercise.

    Saber Strike will be one of U.S. Army Europe's largest multinational exercises this summer in a bid to practise a speedy response with its new rapid-reaction forces in Eastern Europe."

    Source: http://www.newsweek.com/estonia-host-record-number-us-troops-allied-drill-445657
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Airbornewolf on Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:47 am

    i'd be honestly surprised if they can organise the logistics for their "task force" this time around. Last exercise in Norway turned out to be a nightmare for NATO, the "rapid response force" could not support itself logistically and had to fall back on civilian local contractors to fill the gap for food and fuel services. a part of troops had to be put in local hotels for crying out loud.

    besides the effect of agitating the Russians by keeping these exercises on the Millitary level they mean nothing in extend. who takes any Army seriously that has trouble scrounging up resources for its two week long exercise?.

    Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns coupled with a decade long "war on terror" and budget cuts has hollowed out the NATO war Machine completely. the majority of any equipment left operational is in bad need of refit and operates 80's equipment. We depleted all cold-war stockpiles we have left and have to order and buy every bolt and screw and ammunition round when we get the money for it.

    do not even get me started about the 70% of troops that feel its all bullshit to go on the "Russian Teasing" (or as we Dutch troops say, Rusje Pesten) and go on war exercises while the Russians got like a dozen ways to snuff out our forces in the first days of any engagement like its some annoyance.

    And lets be honest, its a handfull of Politicians and disgruntled out of work generals that keep bashing the "soviet Russia" drum. go ask any frontline EU soldier and most say the U.S is the problem. not Russia. i Talked to a german Sargeant and first you hear is complaining about the lack of armour, how their government culled their Airforce and then take a shot at the Yanks keeping them "on a Leash" with the treaty established with the reunification of east and west Russia. just to mention one example.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:36 pm

    In the Luftwaffe 1/3 of aircraft are actually combat capable, land forces have 200-something tanks and worse still, there are no reserves at all. Germany cannot simply take tanks out of storage and refill the ranks - every tactical defeat in battle means annihilation of the Bundeswehr armored forces and a march on Berlin. This could happen over 1 day and Poland could manage that.

    German "military industry" would be useless in producing AFVs under conditions of even moderately itnensive conflict.
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:08 am

    Germany's military policy since 1945 is budget-supercut. So that they can minimize the corrpution in the army.

    French/UK/US contractors get all the profitable parts of the cake, and Germany responds by saying "if you do not allow me to make my own stuffs, then I will buy no stuff".

    The backside of that policy is, Bundeswehr used mini-buses instead of AFVs in military exercises.

    But at the end of the day, French/UK/US realize that they cannot live without German military techs, since Germany and her neighbors have the most advanced industry and technology backgroud in EU.
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:53 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Germany's military policy since 1945 is budget-supercut. So that they can minimize the corrpution in the army. Destroying any ground or basis for independence in military, economy and political sphere is the reason.

    French/UK/US contractors get all the profitable parts of the cake, and Germany responds by saying "if you do not allow me to make my own stuffs, then I will buy no stuff".

    The backside of that policy is, Bundeswehr used mini-buses instead of AFVs in military exercises.

    But at the end of the day, French/UK/US realize that they cannot live without German military techs, since Germany and her neighbors have the most advanced industry and technology backgroud in EU.
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:01 pm

    Cloudy with a chance of Humvees: Military vehicles plummet from sky in a failed air drill. Shocked


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    US aims at forming offensive force on Russian borders with EU support

    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:44 pm

    No need to quote the article but this would mark the first open steep towards US and EU war against Russia.

    We are talking about deployment of offensive force on the border with Russia.

    OBAMA REQUESTS EU SUPPORT FOR POSSIBLE WAR AGAINST RUSSIA

    Its is evident that US political landscape will not change thus its offensive policy.

    US policy is aimed at putting Russia in to submission like EU for instance

    EU will have to think twice before saying yes to this offer but with the pudles like that there can be no doubt one way of the other

    Will Russia calmly wait for the combined US/EU force in its borders like Saddam did? ... Very Happy

    In such case we are talking about full time US grabbing of EU power in its interest and tensions with Russia escalation to the lvl of new cold war with eventually

    undecided EU countries all lining up against combined US/EU pressure thus revealing the true idea of the EU existance.

    According to the new book Brzezinski is advertising the idea is that US has already lost the dominant power in the World but not supremacy and the initiative is asked to

    regain the foothold by sidening Russia and China by US side but under US leadership.

    In that case Russia would than replace the Germany in its place as a strongest Eu country but still under its submission. Similar idea would be offered to China but eventually

    US would turn one against the other exploiting the situation for its benefit while preventing Russia-China alliance.

    It remains to be seen how will EU countries respond to new US order in light of the sanctions that are biting the EU countries too because why they are thinking about lifting them.

    This would in Russia for sure provoke very emotional reaction among the population.





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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:01 pm

    Viktor wrote:No need to quote the article but this would mark the first open steep towards US and EU war against Russia.

    We are talking about deployment of offensive force on the border with Russia.

    OBAMA REQUESTS EU SUPPORT FOR POSSIBLE WAR AGAINST RUSSIA

    Its is evident that US political landscape will not change thus its offensive policy.

    US policy is aimed at putting Russia in to submission like EU for instance

    EU will have to think twice before saying yes to this offer but with the pudles like that there can be no doubt one way of the other

    Will Russia calmly wait for the combined US/EU force in its borders like Saddam did? ...  Very Happy

    In such case we are talking about full time US grabbing of EU power in its interest and tensions with Russia escalation to the lvl of new cold war with eventually

    undecided EU countries all lining up against combined US/EU pressure thus revealing the true idea of the EU existance.

    According to the new book Brzezinski is advertising the idea is that US has already lost the dominant power in the World but not supremacy and the initiative is asked to

    regain the foothold by sidening Russia and China by US side but under US leadership.

    In that case Russia would than replace the Germany in its place as a strongest Eu country but still under its submission. Similar idea would be offered to China but eventually

    US would turn one against the other exploiting the situation for its benefit while preventing Russia-China alliance.

    It remains to be seen how will EU countries respond to new US order in light of the sanctions that are biting the EU countries too because why they are thinking about lifting them.

    This would in Russia for sure provoke very emotional reaction among the population.

    Putin said they would respond asymmetrical, so now Russian MOD will purchase 700 MLRS systems in the coming years, so 700 of Tornado-G/U/S systems, and maybe outside of the 700 MLRS we may even see ground based Hermes (which maybe increasing it's range from 100 km to 145 km).

    Something to think about is that 203mm Pion was capable of firing tactical nuclear warheads, so that means 220 mm Uragan/Tornado-U and 300 mm Smerch/Tornado-S will be capable of carrying tactical nuclear warheads as well (which aren't prohibited by the current START treaty).
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:13 pm

    Dunno why my post didn't go through but...

    I think it is hysterical the title and the article. I don think US is that stupid and suicidal and neither is EU. The number of forces they would place at or near Russia's borders I can't imagine exceeds 30,000. If that is the case, Russia would outnumber them at least 3:1 or greater and Russia has the logistical advantage due to home team advantage.

    As well, Russia is awash in Soviet gear as well, and much like Armenia and other conflicts showing the people willing to volunteer in order to protect their homeland, would mean Russia could acquire a massive army in a short period, way more massive.

    I am aware that a huge portion of those old Soviet equipment may not be working, but I bet it would take very little effort to get them working, and operational status. Advancement in manpads, shorad and anti tank weapons would end up awash in Russia.
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:20 pm

    I dont think the article is hysterical. Its real. Im not implying US/EU would in such case be in position to launch an effective attack but imagine all the other outcome.

    We are basically talking about again drawing the lines of the new Cold War. Russia being sorounded by such force would make all the other under US control states bordering Russia

    get much more "balls" to do anti-Russian actions. There would be much higher possibility to draw Russia in the Ukraine and US would gain moral grounds to build the missile shield

    right next door. In case of the Russia existing INF, Eu would see it as a hostile act.

    Anyway what needs to be done, needs to be done and if EU population does not see the direction its political elites are driwing it towards it could become their ultimate nightmare.


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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  DerWolf on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:26 pm

    A war between Russia and NATO seems impossibile to happen imo. Nobody is so stupid to start a nuclear war.
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:31 am

    F-22 fighter jets are in Romania to keep tabs on Russia's Black Sea antics

    The U.S. sent its most sophisticated aircraft to Romania on Monday for exercises aimed to enhance training with other Europe-based aircraft.

    Two F-22 Raptors and approximately 20 supporting airmen from the 95th Fighter Squadron, Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida, landed at Mihail Kogalniceanu Air Base along with a KC-135 aircraft from the 916th Air Refueling Wing, Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, North Carolina, officials with U.S. Air Forces in Europe-Air Forces Africa said.

    The largest deployment of the multirole fighter to the continent, officials said, is meant to "bolster the security of NATO allies and partners in Europe" while showcasing its flexibility to fly throughout the region.

    The deployment near the Black Sea comes as U.S. commanders re-evaluate the military's role, reach and responsibilities in Europe. Russia's resurgence has forced Washington to rethink troop levels in Europe, eyeing a larger, permanent force that would help deter an unexpected fight against Russian forces.

    USAFE-AFAFRICA officials did not say how long the stealth jets would be in Romania but added the deployment proves "European bases and other NATO installations can host 5th-generation fighters."

    "It is important we test our infrastructure, aircraft capabilities, and the talented Airmen and allies who will host these aircraft in Europe," USAFE-AFAFRICA commander Gen. Frank Gorenc said. "This deployment advances our airpower evolution and demonstrates our resolve and commitment to European safety and security."

    In August, the Air Force deployed four F-22s to Europe for the first time ever as part of the ERI. The fighters traveled to Germany, and also forward deployed with A-10s to Estonia, coming close to Russia's borders.

    In recent months, the service has been using the F-22 often, "heavily tasked to do missions worldwide," Gorenc said of the August deployment and the F-22's role in Syria against the Islamic State group.

    The Air Force also recently deployed a theater security package of F-15s to Iceland and the Netherlands under Operation Atlantic Resolve. The contingent of F-15Cs and about 350 airmen from the 131st Fighter Squadron, Barnes Air National Guard Base, Massachusetts, and the 194th Fighter Squadron, Fresno Air National Guard Base, California, will participate in exercises through September.

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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:37 am

    As I mentioned on twitter about this; it is great training for Russian air defense men and pilots. They can probably use their radar systems to track the F-22's, and just monitor them. They are 2 of them and being near other aircrafts they will be spotted as well. A joke in all but none the less a good teaching lesson for Russian defenses.
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    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:35 am

    30-35 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight . How are they planning to service F-22s in Romania? Wink
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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:As I mentioned on twitter about this; it is great training for Russian air defense men and pilots.  They can probably use their radar systems to track the F-22's, and just monitor them.  They are 2 of them and being near other aircrafts they will be spotted as well.  A joke in all but none the less a good teaching lesson for Russian defenses.

    With the IAD in place, Su-35 wouldn't have use it's radar, it could listen passively, and Kras-3/4 and Murmansk-BN could help mask it's presence from F-22 nose mounted radar.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:44 am

    Su-35 could use irst as well.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:51 am

    Fantastic jerking off show from Obama. Does he think he can make an offensive onto BRICS nations by using loan money from BRICS ?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:09 am

    Looks like the big wigs at the most powerful and influential think tank in the U.S. (Rand Corp) are forced to eat humble pie about who has the advantage in Eastern Europe between NATO and Russia:


    Experts believe such a balance of power: Russia will have an initial advantage over the United States and its allies on the tanks in the ratio of 7: 1, by BMP - 5: 1 by attack helicopters - 5: 1, according to conventional artillery - 4: 1 by rocket artillery - 16: 1, by short-range air defense system - 24: 1 and a long-range air defense - 17: 1.

    Analysts told what exactly is superior to Russia, NATO


    The mean/average comes out to 11-to-1 advantage in favor of Russia... lol1

    ...Oh and we can't forget Russia will put 2 different anti-ICBM mobile ABM's (S-500 and Nudol/A-235) into service, something NATO won't have in their arsenal for years to come (probably no earlier than 10-20 years from now). Wink
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:12 am

    Will be interesting when the new Tornado's reach service. If the proposed effective area of damage is correct (small nuke) then it would be devastating for any base that is hit by it.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:22 am

    No need for Russia to use ICBM or other missiles. If Putin and Xie Jinping decide to stop lending money to the U.S., Obama will be lynched.

    And if Russia feels the need to use strategic missiles, she has submarines in the Artic Ocean. U.S. submarines are unable to completely break the ice when surfacing while Russian can, that mean Russian SSBNs are free to swim in the Artic Ocean and open fire to the U.S. when needed.

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