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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:35 am

    30-35 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight . How are they planning to service F-22s in Romania? Wink

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:As I mentioned on twitter about this; it is great training for Russian air defense men and pilots.  They can probably use their radar systems to track the F-22's, and just monitor them.  They are 2 of them and being near other aircrafts they will be spotted as well.  A joke in all but none the less a good teaching lesson for Russian defenses.

    With the IAD in place, Su-35 wouldn't have use it's radar, it could listen passively, and Kras-3/4 and Murmansk-BN could help mask it's presence from F-22 nose mounted radar.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:44 am

    Su-35 could use irst as well.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:51 am

    Fantastic jerking off show from Obama. Does he think he can make an offensive onto BRICS nations by using loan money from BRICS ?

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:09 am

    Looks like the big wigs at the most powerful and influential think tank in the U.S. (Rand Corp) are forced to eat humble pie about who has the advantage in Eastern Europe between NATO and Russia:


    Experts believe such a balance of power: Russia will have an initial advantage over the United States and its allies on the tanks in the ratio of 7: 1, by BMP - 5: 1 by attack helicopters - 5: 1, according to conventional artillery - 4: 1 by rocket artillery - 16: 1, by short-range air defense system - 24: 1 and a long-range air defense - 17: 1.

    Analysts told what exactly is superior to Russia, NATO


    The mean/average comes out to 11-to-1 advantage in favor of Russia... lol1

    ...Oh and we can't forget Russia will put 2 different anti-ICBM mobile ABM's (S-500 and Nudol/A-235) into service, something NATO won't have in their arsenal for years to come (probably no earlier than 10-20 years from now). Wink

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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:12 am

    Will be interesting when the new Tornado's reach service. If the proposed effective area of damage is correct (small nuke) then it would be devastating for any base that is hit by it.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:22 am

    No need for Russia to use ICBM or other missiles. If Putin and Xie Jinping decide to stop lending money to the U.S., Obama will be lynched.

    And if Russia feels the need to use strategic missiles, she has submarines in the Artic Ocean. U.S. submarines are unable to completely break the ice when surfacing while Russian can, that mean Russian SSBNs are free to swim in the Artic Ocean and open fire to the U.S. when needed.

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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:12 pm

    Russian SSBN's also can Salvo launch under water.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:47 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:

    And if Russia feels the need to use strategic missiles, she has submarines in the Artic Ocean. U.S. submarines are unable to completely break  the ice when surfacing while Russian can, that mean Russian SSBNs are free to swim in the Artic Ocean and open fire to the U.S. when needed.


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    The  Trident II D-5 SLBM  employs many of the advanced design features (including the extendable aero-spike, light-weight motor casings, and high-density fuel), and the larger size leads to an increased range of up to 11100 km (6000 nm). This range enables the Trident II to reach almost every strategic target in the Northern hemisphere when launched from SSBNs sitting in U.S. ports. The MK 6 stellar/inertial navigation system is able to receive GPS (Global Positioning System) updates, thereby increasing accuracy to about 90 m (300 ft) CEP.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Grazneyar on Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:09 am

    Apparently the Norwegian airforce has been shooting at its own control tower. For the second time!! Suspect

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/norwegian-f-16-mistakenly-fires-own-control-tower-n561686

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:34 am

    Putin's indirect warning to Obama, via tha mouth of Communist Party.

    https://www.rt.com/politics/341118-communists-ask-putin-to-deploy/

    Two senior lawmakers representing the Communist Party propose to deploy missile systems to Cuba and resume the work of the Lourdes spy base in reply to US plans that could threaten Russia and its allies.

    According to Parlamentskaya Gazeta daily, Valery Rashkin and Sergey Obukhov addressed President Vladimir Putin with a letter in which they write that they had learned of the Pentagon’s plans to place HIMARS multiple-launch missile systems in Turkey.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:28 pm

    "Two American stealth F-22 fighter jets landed in Lithuania on Wednesday in an apparent show of force, after tensions with Moscow flared this month when a Russian aircraft buzzed an American warship in the Baltic Sea.

    The US air force’s most advanced planes landed at the Siauliai air base which currently also hosts Spanish jets from NATO’s air policing mission, created to help small Baltic members protect their borders with Russia. Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite said the planes’ brief visit from their base in Britain demonstrated US commitment to defend the region, which keeps a wary eye on the Kremlin’s territorial ambitions.

    “It is a signal that the alliance is ready and capable to respond to any kind of threats,” she said at the air base, standing in front of Lithuanian, US and NATO flags. Asked if that was a message to Russia, the outspoken president responded: “Everyone should abstain from sticking his nose into things here.”

    Lithuania and other NATO members formerly behind the Iron Curtain have been rattled by Russia’s actions in Ukraine, where it annexed the Crimean peninsula in 2014 before pro-Moscow separatists began fighting Kiev’s forces in the country’s east. Earlier this month, Russian warplanes flew within metres of an American missile destroyer in the Baltic Sea in what the United States called a “simulated attack”.

    Days later, a US reconnaissance plane was intercepted by a Russian fighter, prompting NATO to accuse Russia’s military of “unprofessional and unsafe behaviour”. Russia has denied the actions were provocative and blamed NATO for increasing the risk of conflict by building up its troops in eastern European countries."










    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/us-f-22-fighter-jets-land-in-lithuania-amid-russia-tensions.html

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:45 pm

    so 2 in Romania and 2 in Lithuania or are they both same ?

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:17 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Putin's indirect warning to Obama, via tha mouth of Communist Party.

    https://www.rt.com/politics/341118-communists-ask-putin-to-deploy/

    Two senior lawmakers representing the Communist Party propose to deploy missile systems to Cuba and resume the work of the Lourdes spy base in reply to US plans that could threaten Russia and its allies.

    According to Parlamentskaya Gazeta daily, Valery Rashkin and Sergey Obukhov addressed President Vladimir Putin with a letter in which they write that they had learned of the Pentagon’s plans to place HIMARS multiple-launch missile systems in Turkey.

    I think Russia better consider it because

    US Could Deploy Super Radar to Norway

    A powerful US radar, known as the GBR-P, could be relocated from a ballistic missile defense test site at the Kwajalein Atoll in the Pacific to the Norwegian county of Finnmark, the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (NRK) reported, citing US experts. The system, some say, could among other things be used to spy on Russia.

    Former CIA analyst Allen Thomson and senior research associate at Cornell University George Lewis believe that there are grounds to support this view. After all, Washington and Oslo have long worked together on radar systems located in Arctic Norway.
    If relocated, the GBR-P would be placed in the municipality of Vardo, located in the county that borders Russia. Vardo is home to the Globus II radar station, which is operated by the Norwegian Intelligence Service and is believed to be part of the US surveillance network providing data to the US Strategic Command.

    The radar was built to track objects in space, monitor areas of national interest to the country, as well as help promote research and development.
    The US and Norway are planning to build a new radar system in Vardo as part of a 120 million upgrade to improve the Globus II. The new system is referred to as Globus III, but it could be replaced by the GBR-P. This could be a logical step since bringing the Ground-Based Radar Prototype to Norway could be cheaper than building a new system, Lewis noted. The globus III radar will perform the same tasks as the Globus II, just more of them and better.



    The radar, according to the Federation of American Scientists (FAS), can acquire, track, and identify targets as well as provide fire control support and kill assessment for the NMD.

    Earlier, aerospace researcher and analyst Charles P. Vick told the NRK that the new radar at Vardo would be part of the Space Fence, a US space surveillance system. MIT Professor Theodore Postol suggested that the radar could be used to gather intelligence on Russia, particularly the country's missile tests.


    Local residents have not been happy with the recent developments. "Many Norwegians in Northern Norway don't want to provoke Russia, while a new radar system in Vardo that's been shrouded in secrecy is making some local residents nervous," Views and News from Norway reported earlier this month.



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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:25 pm

    This was inevitable. Russia will eventually have to build a base in one of its Latin American allies countries. But they better hurry, cause Latin America will soon become US vassal due to crap policies on economics by local governments (Something Russia should have advised them in).

    How Russia could bypass all of this, I cooperation with countries like Cuba, Bolivia and Nicaragua by selling S-400s and UHF radar installations, and offer some personnel on site to monitor equipment. Then add them to IADS. So for these countries, doesn't look like Russian occupation which these countries opposition would use as pro American propaganda, Russia doesn't have to spend much to make it a base, and these countries get advance air defense systems.

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:08 am

    Apparently Germany bowed once more to US request


    German Soldiers train with NATO during Saber Strike 15Germany Ready for More Active Involvement in NATO Missions in E Europe

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:27 pm

    And it begins 

    In line with the new Brzezinsky theory US is not anymore hyperpower but should retain its superiority.

    Obama will offer Russia to be first country of EU with which it will cooperate taking in consideration some of its interest and the same will be offered to China. All in line with the policy of trying to outmanuevre Russia against China and vice versa. I dont think Russia will follow taking into account lying US policymakers. In case carrot does not bear any fruit the club is there and thats why I was so sure on how things to come will unfold and it has already begun. If EU does not lift sanctions after this move in return I think it is safe to say that the EU is under full US control and that we are actually one inch closer to a war for independance than we thought we where.

    NATO to Deploy 4 Battalions in Baltics to Deter 'Russian Threat'

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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:36 pm

    4 battalion of 4000 troops to each battalion or is it a total of 4000 troops?

    edit: SO the total is 4000 troops. Battalion is apparently between 300 - 1200 troops. So about 1000 troops each.

    This is a pathetic sized force. Still bad that they are pushing so many troops to Russias borders, but they are held in a tight position, since the Baltics are in a really bad spot for NATO for any "spearhead" forces. This has been mentioned before on RI.

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  Militarov on Wed May 04, 2016 7:46 pm

    "The deputies of the Party of Socialists (MDBGS) together with activists of the “Young Guard” (the youth organization of the socialists) night blocked the entry to Moldova through Sculeni border crossing point, where the US military convoy arrived today.

    Moldova’s pro-Russian opposition says it will stage protests against the May 3-20 joint exercises.

    US armoured vehicles arrived in Moldova at the crossing point Sculeni, 135 kilometers East of Chisinau, Moldova, 03 May 2016. US soldiers and engineers are arriving in Moldova to take part in ‘Pioneer Dragon 2016’ joint military exercise with the Moldovian national army, held for the first time in Moldova

    At 10.10: A column of US military vehicles continued movement."












    Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/activists-blocking-us-military-convoy-on-the-entry-to-moldova.html

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    Post  Militarov on Wed May 04, 2016 7:46 pm

    "In the evening of April 28 Minister of National Defence Juozas Olekas received a confirmation via phone call with Federal Minister of Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen that Germany is going to be in the lead of formation of a NATO battalion group for Lithuania.

    “We highly appreciate Germany’s decision, this is a firm step on the way of solidarity which enhances our common security and has been achieved by coordinated efforts of all Lithuanian institutions. We have been working towards having a NATO battalion group deployed in Lithuania,” J.Olekas says.

    The decisions regarding the presence of NATO battalion groups in Eastern Europe will be processed at the NATO Defence Ministers meeting in June, while the final decisions will be taken at the NATO Summit in Warsaw in July.

    As the NATO assurance measures in the Baltic region are enhanced, over 600-strong rotational German forces with several hundred of military vehicles will take part in joint training and exercises in Lithuania in several stages. Lithuania will provide full Host Nation Support to the deployed forces, i.e. lodging, catering, logistical support.

    Lithuania and Germany have been partners in defence areas since signing the first bilateral cooperation agreement in 1994. The countries cooperate on combat training, and weaponry and equipment acquisition and maintenance.

    Lithuanian and German military personnel constantly train in joint military exercises, the German Air Force has already provided six rotations of the NATO Baltic Air Policing Mission.

    In 2015 Lithuanian and German Ministries of Defence signed an agreement on acquisition of PzH2000 self-propelled howitzers from Bundeswehr. On the basis of the agreement the Lithuanian Armed Forces will receive 21 unit of 155mm self-propelled howitzer. The first howitzers are expected to arrive as soon as this year and the remainder of the systems will be brought by 2019. As part of upgrading and enhancement process in the Lithuanian Armed Forces, Lithuania opened negotiations with Germany on procuring BOXER infantry fighting vehicles. The first vehicles are expected to be delivered to Lithuania as soon as 2017.

    Since 1994, over 300 Lithuanian soldiers have graduated from various military education institutions, including the Bundeswehr Academy. Germany contributed to the development of military education system in Lithuania and sent expert-level assistance. German lecturers and students are involved in the activities of the Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian senior officers training institution, the Baltic Defence College. Since mid-2014 a Bundeswehr officer has been the Deputy Commandant of the Baltic Defence College."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/germany-plans-forming-a-nato-battalion-group-in-lithuania.html

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  JohninMK on Thu May 05, 2016 5:48 pm

    Excellent thread on ZH on the Russian response to the US moves East in NATO. A few idiots as normal, who get attacked so a very large amount of support for Russia amongst the posters there.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-04/well-respond-totally-asymmetrically-russia-answers-nato-three-new-deployments#comment-7517267

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    Re: NATO/US Military Build up in Eastern Europe-Russian borders

    Post  sepheronx on Tue May 10, 2016 6:52 am

    V-Day provocation? US-NATO hardware forced out of Moldova’s capital after public outrage

    ahahahahaha

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    Post  George1 on Thu May 12, 2016 1:09 pm

    Kremlin: NATO Air Defense Systems Near Russian Border 'Poses a Threat to Russia'


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    Post  George1 on Wed May 25, 2016 3:26 am

    Russian diplomat: Deploying 3 divisions along border response measure to NATO expansion

    More:
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